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No one seems to have mentioned whether Permanent Residency also gives you the continued right of employment in Spain.
I would assume it does, as how can Spain expect any British Expat of working age ( who might or might not be stripped of the EU's Free Movement of Labour after Brexit and the UK finally departs from the EU in two years time ) be expected to support himself and he's or her family without right of employment being conferred on those British Expats with the Permanent Residence card.

No doubt it would also be beholden on working British Expats - to ensure they have the Permanent Residence card on hand,
to present to any new employer whenever they change jobs in Spain, following Brexit. If the above is true ?
Actually, I'd assume that after Brexit we would have our permanent residency as EU citizens transferred to permanent resident non-EU citizens (currently impossible, but they'll have to do something about us), so we'd have to get the foreigner photo ID cards and we'd have the same rights as someone resident here over five years from the USA or Japan, for example. So these EU PR green cards are probably just a temporary stopgap until then. I do think it would be sensible to let the authorities know that you are permanent before that changeover happens, though.
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Our 5 year residency arrives in September.Our gestor enquired about changing our cards to permanente pre Brexit.She was told this was not necessary as the system would note that we were permanente and we we would be treated as such.That it did not say so on the card made no difference.
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Our 5 year residency arrives in September.Our gestor enquired about changing our cards to permanente pre Brexit.She was told this was not necessary as the system would note that we were permanente and we we would be treated as such.That it did not say so on the card made no difference.
Friends of mine were told the same. As far as I can tell, that advice about permanent status came from the British Ambassador's office. There is nothing in the Spanish government information covering arrangements post Brexit, deal or no deal.

https://www.lamoncloa.gob.es/lang/en...residence.aspx

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Although after the withdrawal date your status will be that of a third-country national, the Spanish Government has provided for a period of 21 months from the date of the UK's withdrawal without an agreement for the UK nationals resident in Spain before withdrawal and their family members to obtain the new documentation (Foreigner Identity Card - TIE) that provides proof of your residence in Spain. Until you obtain the necessary documents, for a period of 21 months your residence will continue to be legal.

Registration certificates (the green certificate) and the cards of family members of an EU citizen will serve as proof of their legal residence in Spain for a period of 21 months after the UK's withdrawal from the EU without an agreement and until they obtain the TIE.

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Our 5 year residency arrives in September.Our gestor enquired about changing our cards to permanente pre Brexit.She was told this was not necessary as the system would note that we were permanente and we we would be treated as such.That it did not say so on the card made no difference.
My wife and I applied for permanent residence last year. We were told at the national police station in Alcoy that it was not necessary as we were automatically permanent residents having lived legally in Spain for nearly 12 years. However, we said we would be happier if we had cards that actually said we were permanent residents, in view of Brexit, and she gave them to us./SNIP/
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Hi Everyone,

I have the certificado de registro de ciudadano de la unión as a British Citizen.

For this to stay valid do I need to stay in Spain for a minimum amount of days per year?

For example can I live in Spain for 4 months and somewhere else for 8?

Also, I assume we don't know still but will we have to replace this with something else after Brexit?

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If you have held this for more than 5 years, then you can be absent for up to 2 years (continuous) and still retain it.

Any less than 5 years and you can only be absent for a period of up to 6 months before you lose it.


This is all theoretical, in practice it seems that people very rarely lose 'residency'.

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Yes, after Brexit it will be replaced by the TIE (tarjeta de indentidad extranjera) which has different eligibility criteria.

See the thread on permanent residency for more details. Basically you'll have a grace period after Brexit in which to exchange your certificate for a TIE.

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Yes, after Brexit it will be replaced by the TIE (tarjeta de indentidad extranjera) which has different eligibility criteria.

See the thread on permanent residency for more details. Basically you'll have a grace period after Brexit in which to exchange your certificate for a TIE.
TBH I am getting increasingly concerned over the supposed straightforward exchange. In my region, swapping to a permanent green card is the same as applying for the initial residency. We have had to prove absolutely everything all over again and regardless of what anyone says on here about it being a royal decree or the government of Spain says... it’s not the same everywhere. When I gave the police National the wording as linked on here I got a shrug and was told that’s not how it works here.
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TBH I am getting increasingly concerned over the supposed straightforward exchange. In my region, swapping to a permanent green card is the same as applying for the initial residency. We have had to prove absolutely everything all over again and regardless of what anyone says on here about it being a royal decree or the government of Spain says... it’s not the same everywhere. When I gave the police National the wording as linked on here I got a shrug and was told that’s not how it works here.
Indeed, so true, don't you just love the "Spanish Shrug". You can quote/show them anything you want but to no avail. I tend to agree with you and I fear the exchange to the TIE will not be a simple matter and I fear they may apply the far stricter financial criteria that a 3rd Country citizen has to show regardless of as you say "what any Royal Decree says". And this may prove a big issue for many.

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