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The self employed worker taking early retirement, who has worked in Spain for at least the previous twelve months and has resided continuously in Spain for more than three years.

Sorry I am being dim here.


As an early retiree on a NHS pension
Lived here 2 years + 1 year to go
Worked here as self employed for 12 months

I can apply for permanent residency?

Thank you for your time

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Does this include spouses

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As an early retiree on a NHS pension
Lived here 2 years + 1 year to go
Worked here as self employed for 12 months

I can apply for permanent residency?

Thank you for your time

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Does this include spouses
Yes it does, once you've been resident for 3 years

It doesn't include spouses though

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Also, do we actually have to obtain the piece of paper to upgrade our status? I'm wondering if just having a +5 year old green sheet is enough.
It's an automatic right, so no, you don't have to obtain that piece of paper

However.... When I get time I shall be going to obtain mine. Just for the feeling of security!

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I have been meaning to post something about going to get my new cert a few days ago (yes, I had a bad feeling about the Ref and wanted to have a piece of paper to hold onto, even if it is no guarantee.) I wanted it, although I know it's legally the same after 5 years, because I just wanted to have something to wave under people's noses if they try to say I'm not entitled to something now because I'm British.

The first thing is that I'm a worker here, so the rules for retired people are different. As a worker in Madrid, I had to make an appointment at the office in Madrid at Padre Piquer 18, none of the other offices will update the certs for EU citizens. There's actually a useful app for this and lots of other appointments - put in 'Solicita Cita Previa' into Google Play Store and you'll find it. My appointment was about 2 weeks later.

I had to bring my old green cert, the Tasa 790 triplicate form paid with 10,60€ at any bank (You can get the form at the same extranjería office as your appointment. You don't have to tick any of the boxes on it, just pay the money. And you must pay it before the appointment.)

I also had to bring my original work contract and three original recent nominas, plus photocopies of all of these, and my passport, plus a photocopy of that. So I suppose for other people not working, some proof of income would be required, just to show how you are living here. They didn't ask me anything about healthcare.

And you also need two EX-18 forms filled in. One of these is your copy to take away. You can download that from the internet and print it out. You tick the box at the bottom that says you want the new cert to say 'residencia permanente' and tick the 5 años option or whichever suits you.

And that's all! No padrón cert needed (I brought that just in case) and I didn't need any photos.

I turned up, waited an hour, and had a nice chat to the very helpful guy while he made the little green paper card for me (the cards are really small, compared to the old cert. Shame you're not allowed to laminate them). It has my original date of registration (2009) and that I've been permanently here since then. Thankfully, it no longer has my parents' names on it. I mean, I like my parents, but I always thought that was a bit weird!

Sadly, he also said that having registered as permanent, I'd never need to reregister or deal with the extranjería again, which will no longer be the case now after Brexit. I expect we'll have to get foreigner ID cards one day and I'll now eventually be applying for Spanish nationality, so that'll be much more paperwork. But it is true that once you have registered as permanent, you don't need to update your address with them again, at least until after Brexit, just remember to register the padrón.

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Yes it does, once you've been resident for 3 years

It doesn't include spouses though
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I have been meaning to post something about going to get my new cert a few days ago (yes, I had a bad feeling about the Ref and wanted to have a piece of paper to hold onto, even if it is no guarantee.) I wanted it, although I know it's legally the same after 5 years, because I just wanted to have something to wave under people's noses if they try to say I'm not entitled to something now because I'm British.

The first thing is that I'm a worker here, so the rules for retired people are different. As a worker in Madrid, I had to make an appointment at the office in Madrid at Padre Piquer 18, none of the other offices will update the certs for EU citizens. There's actually a useful app for this and lots of other appointments - put in 'Solicita Cita Previa' into Google Play Store and you'll find it. My appointment was about 2 weeks later.

I had to bring my old green cert, the Tasa 790 triplicate form paid with 10,60€ at any bank (You can get the form at the same extranjería office as your appointment. You don't have to tick any of the boxes on it, just pay the money. And you must pay it before the appointment.)

I also had to bring my original work contract and three original recent nominas, plus photocopies of all of these, and my passport, plus a photocopy of that. So I suppose for other people not working, some proof of income would be required, just to show how you are living here. They didn't ask me anything about healthcare.

And you also need two EX-18 forms filled in. One of these is your copy to take away. You can download that from the internet and print it out. You tick the box at the bottom that says you want the new cert to say 'residencia permanente' and tick the 5 años option or whichever suits you.

And that's all! No padrón cert needed (I brought that just in case) and I didn't need any photos.

I turned up, waited an hour, and had a nice chat to the very helpful guy while he made the little green paper card for me (the cards are really small, compared to the old cert. Shame you're not allowed to laminate them). It has my original date of registration (2009) and that I've been permanently here since then. Thankfully, it no longer has my parents' names on it. I mean, I like my parents, but I always thought that was a bit weird!

Sadly, he also said that having registered as permanent, I'd never need to reregister or deal with the extranjería again, which will no longer be the case now after Brexit. I expect we'll have to get foreigner ID cards one day and I'll now eventually be applying for Spanish nationality, so that'll be much more paperwork. But it is true that once you have registered as permanent, you don't need to update your address with them again, at least until after Brexit, just remember to register the padrón.

Hope that helps!
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I actually think our certs are what you describe

Ours say exactly the same

Certificado de regostro d cuidadano de la union

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Yes, they'll be the same cards. It's just that I had one of the A4 certs from 2009. It's not exactly the same because now it says 'residente comunitario permanente en España desde .../.../2009'. And they have a record that I stated the wish to be recognized as permanent. That's the difference.
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Yes, they'll be the same cards. It's just that I had one of the A4 certs from 2009. The difference is that now it says getting them to add 'residente communitarian permanente en España desde .../.../2009'. That's the difference.
So we have permanent residents cards. That's good. As you say. means nothing but does probably give us an advantage when things change, like it did for those people who had registered as residents before the health system changed. Thank you, that the first constructive thing I have seen today.

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I'm not sure if you do, Cambio, because the cards all fundamentally look the same whether you just arrived or you've been here forever. Just check that it actually has the word 'permanente' written on it, otherwise it's not actually a permanent resident cert, just the normal kind. This absolutely doesn't affect your right to be recognized by the EU after 5 years (or in your case maybe 3 years, by the sounds of it?) as a permanent resident, but it might affect your ability to prove that to people. And we may need to prove a lot of things now.

I say that, because I always thought my old registration cert was a permanent resident cert, but it turned out not to be, so I went for the upgrade!


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Interestingly, you shouldn't have had to show proof of income (work contract) or proof of health care.

You were just updating an existing registration rather than applying for a new one.

The problem is; try explaining that to the funcionarios and get them to accept it!

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