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Hi all searching for detsils but cant seem to find anything regarding amounts needed . one just says you need to sign an affidávit saying you have sufficient to live on / support yourself .
I found a figure of just ovef s 1000 a month but seemed to aplly to permanent residrnce application .
Also is the language still needed when applying for permanent residenxe ? i ensiked SEF but they replied to contact consulate in country of residence .

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Can you please put some effort in asking clear and specific questions.

First explain what nationality you are, what are you looking to achieve and when.

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Hi all searching for detsils but cant seem to find anything regarding amounts needed . one just says you need to sign an affidávit saying you have sufficient to live on / support yourself .
I found a figure of just ovef s 1000 a month but seemed to aplly to permanent residrnce application .
Also is the language still needed when applying for permanent residenxe ? i ensiked SEF but they replied to contact consulate in country of residence .
The simple answer is that it depends where you will be applying as no two offices will ever give you the same answer. I am a UK citizen if that makes any difference and was not asked for any proof. I understand that if asked, it is generally accepted to be the minimum wage in the country. I think that at the moment that is €700 p.m.

As far as language is concerned, as has previously been said, that all depends on your nationality and type of entry that you will be applying for.

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Thought the title made what i am asking self evident . I am asking what level of income is required for residency . I sm uk born but living in Spain , here in Spain the levels are stated even for temporary residence after three months snd then sgsun when you apply for permanent residence after 5 years .
I have searched on google and been redirected to SEF but still no concrete figures . We are considering moving before the end of the transition period but if stated income required us ief 1200 a month per person then we could not meet this income .

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If you are a Brit then you need no income proof whatsoever. The WA states that all the old rules apply until 31/12/2020.
French flag is confusing if you are currently living in Spain!

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If you are a Brit then you need no income proof whatsoever. The WA states that all the old rules apply until 31/12/2020.
French flag is confusing if you are currently living in Spain!
Thank you for the reply . I still thought i had read that once you had completed your 5 years and applying for residency you had to prove sufficient income . What i may think sufficient and the authorities do are two different things

No idea why the french flag .

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You'll get a dose of Portuguese "variable application of rules" when you go into some office here and pedantically demand they comply with the "rules" - as you see them ie. from selected internet quotes. They'll probably ask you to wait outside then go to lunch and/or long weekend and forget about you so Good luck with that.

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I didn't have to prove what resources I had, but here is what the Withdrawal Agreement says:

Withdrawal Agreement
ARTICLE 18
Issuance of residence documents
1. The host State may require Union citizens or United Kingdom nationals, their respective family members and other persons, who reside in its territory in accordance with the conditions set out in this Title, to apply for a new residence status which confers the rights under this Title and a document evidencing such status which may be in a digital form. Applying for such a residence status shall be subject to the following conditions:
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(k) the host State may only require Union citizens and United Kingdom nationals to present, in addition to the identity documents referred to in point (i) of this paragraph, the following supporting documents as referred to in Article 8(3) of Directive 2004/38/EC:
(i) where they reside in the host State in accordance with point (a) of Article 7(1) of Directive 2004/38/EC as workers or self-employed, a confirmation of engagement from the employer or a certificate of employment, or proof that they are self-employed;
(ii) where they reside in the host State in accordance with point (b) of Article 7(1) of Directive 2004/38/EC as economically inactive persons, evidence that they have sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host State during their period of residence and that they have comprehensive sickness insurance cover in the host State; or
(iii) where they reside in the host State in accordance with point (c) of Article 7(1) of Directive 2004/38/EC as students, proof of enrolment at an establishment accredited or financed by the host State on the basis of its legislation or administrative practice, proof of comprehensive sickness insurance cover, and a declaration or equivalent means of proof, that they have sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host State during their period of residence. The host State may not require such declarations to refer to any specific amount of resources.

With regard to the condition of sufficient resources, Article 8(4) of Directive 2004/38/EC shall apply.

... and Article 8.4 refers to the social assistance threshold, which I believe is 658.2 euros/person/month in Portugal, though I stand to be corrected on that.

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I didn't have to prove what resources I had, but here is what the Withdrawal Agreement says:

Withdrawal Agreement
ARTICLE 18
Issuance of residence documents
1. The host State may require Union citizens or United Kingdom nationals, their respective family members and other persons, who reside in its territory in accordance with the conditions set out in this Title, to apply for a new residence status which confers the rights under this Title and a document evidencing such status which may be in a digital form. Applying for such a residence status shall be subject to the following conditions:
[…]
(k) the host State may only require Union citizens and United Kingdom nationals to present, in addition to the identity documents referred to in point (i) of this paragraph, the following supporting documents as referred to in Article 8(3) of Directive 2004/38/EC:
(i) where they reside in the host State in accordance with point (a) of Article 7(1) of Directive 2004/38/EC as workers or self-employed, a confirmation of engagement from the employer or a certificate of employment, or proof that they are self-employed;
(ii) where they reside in the host State in accordance with point (b) of Article 7(1) of Directive 2004/38/EC as economically inactive persons, evidence that they have sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host State during their period of residence and that they have comprehensive sickness insurance cover in the host State; or
(iii) where they reside in the host State in accordance with point (c) of Article 7(1) of Directive 2004/38/EC as students, proof of enrolment at an establishment accredited or financed by the host State on the basis of its legislation or administrative practice, proof of comprehensive sickness insurance cover, and a declaration or equivalent means of proof, that they have sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host State during their period of residence. The host State may not require such declarations to refer to any specific amount of resources.

With regard to the condition of sufficient resources, Article 8(4) of Directive 2004/38/EC shall apply.

... and Article 8.4 refers to the social assistance threshold, which I believe is 658.2 euros/person/month in Portugal, though I stand to be corrected on that.

Absolutely correct but the OP was asking about an application being made in the current year and thus IMHO the withdrawal agreement wording will not apply to his application.

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