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Old 22nd January 2019, 02:40 PM
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I'm not saying everything is clear
I inferred that from your post to the effect that the law was straightforward and all of the claims made are consistent with the law. You are clearly someone 'in the know' but I thought there was a danger that a not very diligent reader, new to the forum, might take the same inference as I did.

I have never claimed that all British subjects need CHI just some of them in a certain category might (and maybe more Irish citizens) if the civil servants processing the application interpret the law in a less generous manner than is clearly the norm.

I have no idea how you can interpret the Lisbon form as you do, but I think my query has run its course on this forum. But I will try to remember to return to it if our experience sheds any light on the issues in such a way as to be useful for others.

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Hi Travelling Man,
Re NIF registration: "Once here, you need to go to a Fiscal Office (usually in the Camara/Town Hall) and get a Fiscal number/document & to do that you need to provide your passport, some kind of ID to show your address & a few Euros........ this should take about 20 minutes.:

How does one provide evidence of one's address when you are living in an apartment rented with no lease?

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... How does one provide evidence of one's address when you are living in an apartment rented with no lease?
Maybe you should apply for your NIF as a non-resident, evidencing your home address, and change your status later when you're more settled?

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Maybe you should apply for your NIF as a non-resident, evidencing your home address, and change your status later when you're more settled?
You can also get someone who is resident in Portugal to act as your Fiscal Representative.

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Maybe you should apply for your NIF as a non-resident, evidencing your home address, and change your status later when you're more settled?
Thanks for the suggestion Richard.
We are pretty settled here already - my wife has been here for 5 months already.
I've read of needing to get affidavits from 2 persons living in your street who vouch for one's residency, to satisfy this requirement...(?)

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... I've read of needing to get affidavits from 2 persons living in your street who vouch for one's residency, to satisfy this requirement...(?)
That would be an Atestado de Residência (see https://www.economias.pt/atestado-de-residencia/) but that's more normally used as part of the process for registering (or applying for) residency in situations such as yours (where you don't have a lease or utility bills etc to prove occupancy).

I suspect that registration (or application for) residency probably should have been done a while ago and having your NIF would have been a pre-condition. The Atestado is a documented 'proof' that you live at the address you claim.

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Thanks Richard.
I've only been in Portugal for 2 months.
I understand that the normal sequence for documenting one' residency is, as TravellingMan indicated:

"Once here, you need to go to a Fiscal Office (usually in the Camara/Town Hall) and get a Fiscal number/document & to do that you need to provide your passport, some kind of ID to show your address & a few Euros........ this should take about 20 minutes.

After you've been here 3 months & before 4 months, (it can be before 3 months if you wish) you go to your local Camara & register your residency status with them. This document is called a Residencia & is valid for 5 years. You need to provide your passport, Fiscal Document (AKA NIF) address in Portugal & a few Euros.

Then you go to your local Junta/Council & get your Attestado and for that you need passport, NIF & Residencia."

There seems to be a large Catch22 operating here!

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Portuguese variable bureaucracy at it's best...................... The easy way to do it is go to the Camara & ask them which way they want you to do it & just go with the flow.

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Thanks Travelling Man - let's grab the bull..

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I have never claimed that all British subjects need CHI just some of them in a certain category might (and maybe more Irish citizens) if the civil servants processing the application interpret the law in a less generous manner than is clearly the norm.

I have no idea how you can interpret the Lisbon form as you do, but I think my query has run its course on this forum. But I will try to remember to return to it if our experience sheds any light on the issues in such a way as to be useful for others.
Happily, I can now report my experience in Seixal. I swore that I was exercising a professional activity. OItherwise I would have had to claim the following: Dispor de recursos suficientes para si proprio e para os seus familiares, bem como um seguro de saude.

This refers to health insurance irrespective of the situation in one's home country. In that respect it is worse than what is the case in Lisbon (if their form is anything to go by).

Probably best if people posting on this forum do not encourage law breaking. I fear that blanket statements along the lines of 'comprehensive health insurance is not required' might effectively encourage some to commit perjury. I hope that by publicising both the law and the practice in two large municipalities, I have helped diminish that danger.

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