AUSTRALIA vs CANADA - Page 8

curious_toad · #71 (**permalink**) 5th October 2017, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JK684

After having lived in both Canada & AUS, I am liking Australia more than than Canada.

Could you please elaborate/give details of some important things (not like the weather is better and such) that you like about Australia as opposed to Canada for some of us who may have not been to any of these countries, thanks.

JK684 · #72 (**permalink**) 8th October 2017, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by curious_toad

Could you please elaborate/give details of some important things (not like the weather is better and such) that you like about Australia as opposed to Canada for some of us who may have not been to any of these countries, thanks.

For me, weather is definitely one of the reasons, i didnt like the cold weather in Canada...you will get only 3 months of summer ( you can add some part of May & September too )...and if you go to places like Winnipeg it is colder than Toronto.

If you would like to know more about Canadian winters, check this thread - http://www.expatforum.com/expats/can...n-winters.html

But in Canada, the Overall living is cost is lesser than Oz..Groceries are cheaper in Toronto when compared to Sydney.

WileECoyote · #73 (**permalink**) 1st November 2017, 01:52 AM

I just moved to Australia from Canada. I find the countries to be very similar. Australia may have the edge because it's more laid back, and has a better climate.

aydogan · #74 (**permalink**) 28th November 2017, 07:30 PM

I know it has been asked several times in the past, also in the beginning of this thread, but when I searched the entire forum, I could not find up-to-date comparison data between CA and AU. There are several topics and threads but some of them are outdated, and some of them are focused on specific issues apart from the big picture.

I am a Materials Engineer from Turkey Istanbul.
We (wife and 3 years old daughter) have granted our PR visas both from AU and CA few months ago. We have visited both countries to complete our soft landings and to explore them in order to decide where to move.
I have been working in project management & procurement fields in several multinational projects, but I am about to lose my job here, and that would be perfect timing for me to look for new opportunities in a new country.

Actually, it is not an easy decision since we liked both AU and CA in different ways. As far as we understood and learned from several sources like internet forums and some friends, both countries have pros and cons as below.

AU (Brisbane, Sydney)
++We have a few good friends in AU.
++The climate is moch more better .
++Minimum wages and average wages are higher.
++You may have reasonable life standards by working in survival/casual jobs till finding a professional one with a better salary.
--Engineering & engineering-related job ads are relatively far less than CA.
--Economy is not good. Not much manufacturing, but mining, IT and service industry based.
--It is way too far to Istanbul, also remote from the rest of the world
--It is seem to be becoming politically harsh to the immigrants, laws and regulations are being considered to harden
--The citizenship procedure takes minimum 4 years. Government is also trying to make it harder.

CA (Toronto)
++It is much more easy (half price, half time) to travel from Istanbul. Not remote from the world.
++it is also close to USA for business opportunuties or touristic visits, etc.
++More engineering & engineering-related job ads are being published than AU
++Economy seems stronger, more diverse compared to AU.
++Politically more open & welcoming to immigrants.
++Citizenship can be obtained in 3 years. Just reduced from 4 years.
--Climate is far worse than AU. Very harsh winters for us considering ourselves as Aegean.
--We do not have any close friends there.
--Minimum wages are lower than AU.
--Casual & survival jobs may not be enough to survive for a family with kid.
--Finding a professional job may be very difficult (heard that it can take 1 to 2 years!).

As a result, we were considering to move to AU, firstly for economical and secondly for climatic factors. Meanwhile, some of (new) friends in Canada is also confusing us by expressing that how happy they are in CA.

What do you think?
Do you agree or disagree to our choice?
Do you have any advice for us?
Would you add anything or do you have any objection to the pros and cons list?

Taking this kind of decision for the future of our family is really very tough and becoming stressfull for us. Therefore, we would like to crosscheck our decision in different ways as much as possible.
We would really apreciate if you kindly share your comments.
Thank you!

happybuddha · #75 (**permalink**) 30th November 2017, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by aydogan

I know it has been asked several times in the past, also in the beginning of this thread, but when I searched the entire forum, I could not find up-to-date comparison data between CA and AU. There are several topics and threads but some of them are outdated, and some of them are focused on specific issues apart from the big picture.

I am a Materials Engineer from Turkey Istanbul.
We (wife and 3 years old daughter) have granted our PR visas both from AU and CA few months ago. We have visited both countries to complete our soft landings and to explore them in order to decide where to move.
I have been working in project management & procurement fields in several multinational projects, but I am about to lose my job here, and that would be perfect timing for me to look for new opportunities in a new country.

Actually, it is not an easy decision since we liked both AU and CA in different ways. As far as we understood and learned from several sources like internet forums and some friends, both countries have pros and cons as below.

AU (Brisbane, Sydney)
++We have a few good friends in AU.
++The climate is moch more better .
++Minimum wages and average wages are higher.
++You may have reasonable life standards by working in survival/casual jobs till finding a professional one with a better salary.
--Engineering & engineering-related job ads are relatively far less than CA.
--Economy is not good. Not much manufacturing, but mining, IT and service industry based.
--It is way too far to Istanbul, also remote from the rest of the world
--It is seem to be becoming politically harsh to the immigrants, laws and regulations are being considered to harden
--The citizenship procedure takes minimum 4 years. Government is also trying to make it harder.

CA (Toronto)
++It is much more easy (half price, half time) to travel from Istanbul. Not remote from the world.
++it is also close to USA for business opportunuties or touristic visits, etc.
++More engineering & engineering-related job ads are being published than AU
++Economy seems stronger, more diverse compared to AU.
++Politically more open & welcoming to immigrants.
++Citizenship can be obtained in 3 years. Just reduced from 4 years.
--Climate is far worse than AU. Very harsh winters for us considering ourselves as Aegean.
--We do not have any close friends there.
--Minimum wages are lower than AU.
--Casual & survival jobs may not be enough to survive for a family with kid.
--Finding a professional job may be very difficult (heard that it can take 1 to 2 years!).

As a result, we were considering to move to AU, firstly for economical and secondly for climatic factors. Meanwhile, some of (new) friends in Canada is also confusing us by expressing that how happy they are in CA.

What do you think?
Do you agree or disagree to our choice?
Do you have any advice for us?
Would you add anything or do you have any objection to the pros and cons list?

Taking this kind of decision for the future of our family is really very tough and becoming stressfull for us. Therefore, we would like to crosscheck our decision in different ways as much as possible.
We would really apreciate if you kindly share your comments.
Thank you!

I will talk about your consideration for economical factor. Finding a job for an immigrant is incredibly hard in AU. Just read this forum for all the struggles. If minimum wage is high in Australia, minimum expenses are also very high. Both countries are resource rich. But Canadian citizenship offers easier access to the US job market too.

Climate - I really never understood why people keep harping on this. Wear good thermal clothes and you will be fine. There are episodes of very bad weather in Australia too.

I chose Australia only for one thing, because it was closer to India (than US or CA) and I have family in India that I want to visit every year. If I could do it all over again, I would rather choose Canada. Much more racially tolerant. Many more s/w engineering opportunities and the possibility of being able to work in America in the future. A few of my friends live on the Canadian side of the US Canadian border and drive to work in the US everyday. Best of both worlds.

End of it all, just make a choice. Because the decision making will paralyse your mind - it did mine. If it turns out to be a mistake - then its just that. Neither country is bad. Their ranking in my mind is very close. One country is slightly better than the other in some aspects. And IMO you will be comfortable in either country.

JK684 · #76 (**permalink**) 30th November 2017, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by happybuddha

I will talk about your consideration for economical factor. Finding a job for an immigrant is incredibly hard in AU. Just read this forum for all the struggles. If minimum wage is high in Australia, minimum expenses are also very high. Both countries are resource rich. But Canadian citizenship offers easier access to the US job market too.

Climate - I really never understood why people keep harping on this. Wear good thermal clothes and you will be fine. There are episodes of very bad weather in Australia too.

I chose Australia only for one thing, because it was closer to India (than US or CA) and I have family in India that I want to visit every year. If I could do it all over again, I would rather choose Canada. Much more racially tolerant. Many more s/w engineering opportunities and the possibility of being able to work in America in the future. A few of my friends live on the Canadian side of the US Canadian border and drive to work in the US everyday. Best of both worlds.

End of it all, just make a choice. Because the decision making will paralyse your mind - it did mine. If it turns out to be a mistake - then its just that. Neither country is bad. Their ranking in my mind is very close. One country is slightly better than the other in some aspects. And IMO you will be comfortable in either country.

"But Canadian citizenship offers easier access to the US job market too. " - no special advantage or easier access for Canadian Citizens when compared to Aussie Citizens(other than physically being near to USA). it is just a myth many people have

it is almost same. Canada Citizens - TN visa for working in USA, Australian Citizens - E3 visa, and TN visa dependents cant work, while E3 visa dependents can work. and for both visas, there is no path to Permanent Residency (ie Green Card) in USA.

"Climate - I really never understood why people keep harping on this. Wear good thermal clothes and you will be fine." - easier said than done mate

. I have lived in North America for 6 years, and trust me you will not like the -25 to -40 degree cold weather at times in winter (not every day though)..and also you will be digging up you car after every big snow storm or blizzard.

and it all comes down to each person's preference, i have lived in Canada and had the chance to apply for Canadian PR, but I chose Australia instead and I am loving it here even though it is more expensive.

ravinder.529 · #77 (**permalink**) 1st December 2017, 08:55 AM

Hi, I was also confuse between CA and AU. Finally I have decided to apply for Australia.
I was also having impression that CA residents easily gets the opportunity to work in USA.

Ajeet · #78 (**permalink**) 6th December 2017, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JK684

"But Canadian citizenship offers easier access to the US job market too. " - no special advantage or easier access for Canadian Citizens when compared to Aussie Citizens(other than physically being near to USA). it is just a myth many people have

it is almost same. Canada Citizens - TN visa for working in USA, Australian Citizens - E3 visa, and TN visa dependents cant work, while E3 visa dependents can work. and for both visas, there is no path to Permanent Residency (ie Green Card) in USA.

"Climate - I really never understood why people keep harping on this. Wear good thermal clothes and you will be fine." - easier said than done mate

. I have lived in North America for 6 years, and trust me you will not like the -25 to -40 degree cold weather at times in winter (not every day though)..and also you will be digging up you car after every big snow storm or blizzard.

and it all comes down to each person's preference, i have lived in Canada and had the chance to apply for Canadian PR, but I chose Australia instead and I am loving it here even though it is more expensive.

I totally agree with you.

I had the same choice to be made and I chose Australia too, and my family love it here. The climate was a big factor in our decision making process.

The most important factor for anyone should be job. If you don't get job then everything else (weather, beach, cricket etc.) is of no use.

Regarding racism - I have never felt that in either USA or Australia (never been to Canada). Australians have different sense of humour and not many of us understand that. Anyways..

I always say that choosing a country is a very personal choice. You decide what is important to you and your family and then arrive at your decision. I have friends in Canada too and they are happy over there (except for weather!

).

Have a very Bright Future!!

yogithegreat · #79 (**permalink**) 10th December 2017, 07:43 AM

Which country is better from accountancy profession perspective?

JK684 · #80 (**permalink**) 10th December 2017, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by yogesgupta

Which country is better from accountancy profession perspective?

Go to the Job search sites specific to both countries and check the openings for your profession and get an understanding. As i am not from accountancy background, i cant comment on the job prospects for the same.

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