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Yeah but Canada doesn't have crazy 'natives' racially abusing non White immigrants at alarming frequencies on public transport.

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Then Canada it is. But if you google racism in Canada you will find it is not entirely without racism. Nowhere is.

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Canada, all the way mate !

Just three years to get Citizenship (after which you can work in the US. There on, California (or insert your fav state, just dont say NY! ) all the way!)

Trudeau seems to be more of a visionary than the PM(s) in Australia who change at the drop of a hat. When they are busy fighting amongst themselves for the highest seat, who is bothered about running the country.
From what I have heard, Trudeau has recently hauled the benefit system and there are much better benefits for young families.

Recently there was a question in the Australian parliament where the PM refused to answer if there were chances of Medicare being privatised.

Much more adjustment, maturity and experience with immigrants in the society as a whole.
Just the weather can be silly for some part of the year. But that's manageable.
Not entirely accurate about being able to work in the US as a Canadian citizen. Only people eligible for TN visas (which is a very limited list of occupations) can move to the US and it is only a temporary visa valid for 3 years. It's also FOUR years to become a Canadian citizen NOT three, all of which needs to be as a Permanent Resident. In Australia, time spent on other visas counts towards meeting the residence requirement.

Also, it's early days for Trudeau. He is actually more popular outside of Canada than he is inside the country. Not saying he's a bad PM but let's not get carried away by the media hype.
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Oh really?

Women wearing hijabs called terrorists, one shoved on TTC

Vancouver commuter punched, kicked after ‘politely’ asking women to stop shouting racist slurs: police | National Post

North Vancouver man charged in bus pepper spray attack after racist rant

And in Canada, you have the added bonus of public transport employees being racially abusive as well:

Teen says she was assaulted by Winnipeg Transit driver over transfer dispute - Manitoba - CBC News

Impact player claiming racism at hands of Montreal transit employee - The Globe and Mail

Let's not pretend that Canada is some mystical fairyland of tolerance. Australia has a long way to go, sure, but Canada is not as far ahead of the game as you think it is.
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On the other hand, if you wish to enjoy high standard of living, wonderful climate and nature, relatively high level of safety, isolation from world's troubles and appreciate not being the center of the world, choose Australia.
Hi,

While you might be correct in terms of overall standards of living, you can't say the same for these particular things though:

- Quality of housing you would enjoy at the market salary for your occupation (total area, modern equipment, quality of furniture, air-conditioning, etc.)
- Quality of cars (and other vehicles) you can afford with your salary
- Gadgets/ electronics that you can buy with your salary
- Variety and amount of food that you can afford with your salary - you can literally eat outside everyday, every time and still it won't pinch your pocket
- Access to world's best amusement parks/ casinos/ resorts (also: much cheaper hotels) that you can have with your salary
- Night life including full-night supermarkets/grocery stores and much cheaper pubs - that you can enjoy!

There's simply no comparison. The US wins hands down. Doesn't even need any explanation I guess. The biggest reasons why the US has huge advantages in these categories are:

1) Most companies are based there and the country has a huge consumer base, hence economy of scale (e.g. shipping is free with most e-commerce).

2) You aren't forced to live in the biggest cities for any professions (read NY, Chicago), so it's literally very much doable to earn $60k, live in a smaller city and still enjoy the highest standards of life including cheap access to sports facilities (even Golf is cheaper), better housing, cheaper food and produce.

Things which are not so good in the US though are: public transportation (except a few cities such as NY), safety (specially in night), lack of liveliness in CBD areas (they call it downtown) due to a higher crime rate, weather (can be very cold in northern states).
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Hi,

While you might be correct in terms of overall standards of living, you can't say the same for these particular things though:

- Quality of housing you would enjoy at the market salary for your occupation (total area, modern equipment, quality of furniture, air-conditioning, etc.)
- Quality of cars (and other vehicles) you can afford with your salary
- Gadgets/ electronics that you can buy with your salary
- Variety and amount of food that you can afford with your salary - you can literally eat outside everyday, every time and still it won't pinch your pocket
- Access to world's best amusement parks/ casinos/ resorts (also: much cheaper hotels) that you can have with your salary
- Night life including full-night supermarkets/grocery stores and much cheaper pubs - that you can enjoy!

There's simply no comparison. The US wins hands down. Doesn't even need any explanation I guess. The biggest reasons why the US has huge advantages in these categories are:

1) Most companies are based there and the country has a huge consumer base, hence economy of scale (e.g. shipping is free with most e-commerce).

2) You aren't forced to live in the biggest cities for any professions (read NY, Chicago), so it's literally very much doable to earn $60k, live in a smaller city and still enjoy the highest standards of life including cheap access to sports facilities (even Golf is cheaper), better housing, cheaper food and produce.

Things which are not so good in the US though are: public transportation (except a few cities such as NY), safety (specially in night), lack of liveliness in CBD areas (they call it downtown) due to a higher crime rate, weather (can be very cold in northern states).
The OP was looking for a comparison between Australia and Canada not Australia and the US. Let's get back on topic please. There are plenty of other Australia vs US threads (most of which you already post in) for this.

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Yes, Canada and the US are entirely different countries. Canadians get really upset when they are taken for Americans. Just like our Kiwi neighbours when mistaken for Aussies.
Canada has more in common with Australia, in many ways, than the US. We share membership of the Commonwealth, similar political system, a similarly high rate of skilled migration, a small population spread over an enormous area of mostly unusable land, a reliance on resources economically. Very importantly we share the fact that a large portion of the population are non religious and very committed to a secular society.
As far as the original question goes, in my opinion the main decision would be based around the preferred weather and the time and cost involved in traveling to wherever may be required. factors such as child benefits and retirement schemes change all the time. Neither Canada nor Australia are socialist countries and both have values revolving around the value of work.

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The OP was looking for a comparison between Australia and Canada not Australia and the US. Let's get back on topic please. There are plenty of other Australia vs US threads (most of which you already post in) for this.
Sure. No worries. But, this particular comment was in response to a US/Aus point that was mentioned by Ozengineer. I would avoid it anyway. Thanks for your notice!

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It's also FOUR years to become a Canadian citizen NOT three, all of which needs to be as a Permanent Resident.
Blimey ! It is indeed four years. For a change, you are correct this time.

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Ok, so off to Canada for Isildurr and happybuddah, off to the US asap for kettlerope, I will stay here in my house by the beach and enjoy looking at the boats on the bay. All of us will live happily ever after.
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