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Many of us were already in the established stages of our lives back in our country. But then we decided to leave everything behind and move in here where all needs to be started from scratch!!!

I have moved in just one month back, and everything i hear from people just makes me wonder more about what attracts people to this place? What benefits have you seen here that you lacked at your country ? .. .would love to hear from all .
This exact same query has been going on in my mind. I have completed IELTS and still a long way to go.
However, I joined EXPATFORUM to ask this same question to the fellow members who have settled in Australia now.

What I have understood after reading / talking to everyone whom I know, people are starting afresh in Australia after leaving well paid and good jobs in India for the following reasons :-
1. Safety
2. Clean Weather
3. Peaceful Life (Good Work life balance)
4. Good place to raise kids (good schools and higher education avenues)
5. Good governance mechanism
6. First World Country
7. Less commutation time (if time is high then the commute itself is peaceful)
8. Weather (that is where Canada suffers)
9. A place devoid of riots / religious loud speakers / etc.
10. No Electricity / Water issues
11. Better post-retirement medical / lifestyle
12. Less Corruption at ground level

Let me know if my understanding is wrong in any of the aspects. I have come across some great articles which will help me in the process but this dilemma still continues (Why Australia or Why Canada and Why not India ?)
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Good to know about the max daily fare. Does that include the travel by any form of public transport - bus/tram/train?

I found 3.90 pretty high considering we travelled from Bourke street to St Kilda Jn and that was only a few stops outside the free tram zone.

Its not a fair comparison, but just mentioning that public transport in SG is so affordable that the fares in AUS seem quite higher in comparison.

Also good to know about Uber. Thanks very much.
Yes, the fare includes all public transport including transfers for two hours. There is a special "Zone 2" fare where trips within this outer zone are $2.70. There is also a weekend cap of $6.00 (rather than the usual cap of $7.80).

St Kilda Junction is a good 6 km outside the free fare zone. Spare a thought for people who take trams just outside the free fare zone in areas like Fitzroy or Carlton, less than 1 km from the CBD. As I've said before on the forum, public transport in all Australian cities is pretty bad and cannot compare to most Asian or European cities. There is a definite car culture here and the vast majority of people drive.

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This exact same query has been going on in my mind. I have completed IELTS and still a long way to go.
However, I joined EXPATFORUM to ask this same question to the fellow members who have settled in Australia now.

What I have understood after reading / talking to everyone whom I know, people are starting afresh in Australia after leaving well paid and good jobs in India for the following reasons :-
1. Safety
2. Clean Weather
3. Peaceful Life (Good Work life balance)
4. Good place to raise kids (good schools and higher education avenues)
5. Good governance mechanism
6. First World Country
7. Less commutation time (if time is high then the commute itself is peaceful)
8. Weather (that is where Canada suffers)
9. A place devoid of riots / religious loud speakers / etc.
10. No Electricity / Water issues
11. Better post-retirement medical / lifestyle
12. Less Corruption at ground level

Let me know if my understanding is wrong in any of the aspects. I have come across some great articles which will help me in the process but this dilemma still continues (Why Australia or Why Canada and Why not India ?)

Yes the dilemma is there. India is definitely growing , and there is no shortage of jobs for qualified and skilled people in different fields. And for IT guys, the off-shoring phenomenon is huge , so jobs that once existed in US or UK or AU now exist in India. And even if they exist onshore , they are not accessible to citizens and PR holders , as they are outsourced to one of the IT giants of India and they bring their own people on H1B or L1 or 457 visas. Why should an IT guy then decide to settle in a country from where jobs are actually moving out to countries like India. It makes no sense .

But still it makes sense as all the things you have listed don't exist in India, and hopes of them becoming available is quite feeble , at least in my lifetime So it makes sense to move to AU or Canada. This is why we are willing to give up our good jobs and go through all hardships in a new country. But what good it will do , and how we can enjoy our lives in these countries if we can't find a job . .......... And the dilemma goes on. Me and my wife discuss it daily , still we are unable to decide , we are in a deadlock situation. Time will tell which way we go eventually.

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and how we can enjoy our lives in these countries if we can't find a job.
Most well-qualified migrants having good communication skills and prior work experience will eventually find a job here - most manage this within 8-12 weeks of arriving while others may take as long as a year. If you bring enough funds to see you through your first year then life should be a lot easier.

Once you do find a job here then the quality of life is simply incomparable.

I'd much rather earn an average wage ($80k 0r $150k for a couple in IT) and live in Melbourne than live in Mumbai or Delhi, earning say, a crore+ p.a. (??.. from the way some people talk about salaries and job opportunities in India, I am assuming mid-career IT professionals earn in this range).
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And the dilemma goes on. Me and my wife discuss it daily , still we are unable to decide , we are in a deadlock situation. Time will tell which way we go eventually.
So this is the story of all who are looking to move to Australia. Some are dead sure that there life will improve looking at the situation of their friends / family. For the rest, it is an informed decision and a calculated risk. And the risk is going to increase further once you have kids.

The discussions will continue but I believe that you are still going ahead with the process and the final decision regarding the movment will be taken once you get the PR.

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Yes the dilemma is there. India is definitely growing , and there is no shortage of jobs for qualified and skilled people in different fields. And for IT guys, the off-shoring phenomenon is huge , so jobs that once existed in US or UK or AU now exist in India. And even if they exist onshore , they are not accessible to citizens and PR holders , as they are outsourced to one of the IT giants of India and they bring their own people on H1B or L1 or 457 visas. Why should an IT guy then decide to settle in a country from where jobs are actually moving out to countries like India. It makes no sense .

But still it makes sense as all the things you have listed don't exist in India, and hopes of them becoming available is quite feeble , at least in my lifetime So it makes sense to move to AU or Canada. This is why we are willing to give up our good jobs and go through all hardships in a new country. But what good it will do , and how we can enjoy our lives in these countries if we can't find a job . .......... And the dilemma goes on. Me and my wife discuss it daily , still we are unable to decide , we are in a deadlock situation. Time will tell which way we go eventually.
Agree with most of what you mentioned. India is growing indeed and job is a basic necessity. But what good is a high paying job when you spend nearly 2-3 hours daily in traffic, when you don't have much time to spend with your family, when people around you have become aggressive and abusive, when people have forgotten words like 'sorry' and 'thank you' etc. Though many companies have been outsourcing jobs to India, I still believe it is only the low end jobs that are being outsourced. Many still keep the high end jobs in house. I worked with a German based auto giant. The work we did while we were in India was nothing compared to what we did while we were onsite. Not everything is outsourced because they too have the fear of losing jobs. Australia is no less and has enough opportunities. It is only that you need to have patience and keep trying.

You are finding it tough to decide because of fear. There are a lot of if's and but's. You are worried about the risks involved. I am not blaming you but it is common today. People are so used to what they have at the moment that they are worried about losing it. I quit a monthly 6 digit pay to do something on my own. It took me nearly 4 months to decide if I am doing the right thing. My wife supported it, my parents and in-laws were against it and friends had divided views. Most people around you will only discourage you and talk about chances of failure. I had a wonderful lifestyle and I was scared of failing in my venture. But finally I decided to take the plunge. Though I struggled a lot initially, I am doing fine today. What I am trying to say is, if you want to try something new or achieve something, you need to take risk. At least you wont repent in future that you never tried.

You should give it a try. God forbid, even if Australia doesnt work you, you can always comeback and get a job in 2 weeks time in India. Apart from money which you can always recover and time, there is not much to lose. But also imagine if it works out for you. There are so many ways of doing things, you just need to figure which one suits you the best.

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Agree with most of what you mentioned. India is growing indeed and job is a basic necessity. But what good is a high paying job when you spend nearly 2-3 hours daily in traffic, when you don't have much time to spend with your family, when people around you have become aggressive and abusive, when people have forgotten words like 'sorry' and 'thank you' etc. Though many companies have been outsourcing jobs to India, I still believe it is only the low end jobs that are being outsourced. Many still keep the high end jobs in house. I worked with a German based auto giant. The work we did while we were in India was nothing compared to what we did while we were onsite. Not everything is outsourced because they too have the fear of losing jobs. Australia is no less and has enough opportunities. It is only that you need to have patience and keep trying.

You are finding it tough to decide because of fear. There are a lot of if's and but's. You are worried about the risks involved. I am not blaming you but it is common today. People are so used to what they have at the moment that they are worried about losing it. I quit a monthly 6 digit pay to do something on my own. It took me nearly 4 months to decide if I am doing the right thing. My wife supported it, my parents and in-laws were against it and friends had divided views. Most people around you will only discourage you and talk about chances of failure. I had a wonderful lifestyle and I was scared of failing in my venture. But finally I decided to take the plunge. Though I struggled a lot initially, I am doing fine today. What I am trying to say is, if you want to try something new or achieve something, you need to take risk. At least you wont repent in future that you never tried.

You should give it a try. God forbid, even if Australia doesnt work you, you can always comeback and get a job in 2 weeks time in India. Apart from money which you can always recover and time, there is not much to lose. But also imagine if it works out for you. There are so many ways of doing things, you just need to figure which one suits you the best.

Your comments have created a lot of positivity in me. Thanks !

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Your comments have created a lot of positivity in me. Thanks !
You are welcome. Just be positive and don't worry about anything at the moment. Being negative will only give you sleepless nights.

I come from a technical background and for the past 1.5 years, I am into business. We have sacrificed a lot to make things work. To be honest, once I get a PR, I wont be even applying for a job that requires my technical experience. I am going to use my business experience as a value addition and look for a change in career path. I know it is not going to be easy. So shouldn't I be more worried than those whose are looking for jobs within their core competencies???? Don't you think I am fool to even try this especially in a country like Australia?

Well! At the moment, job is the least of my concerns because I know I will survive and Australia is not the end of the world for me. If you are able to convince the people who are most important to you, then you really don't have to worry about anything.

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But what good is a high paying job when you spend nearly 2-3 hours daily in traffic, when you don't have much time to spend with your family
This is no different in Sydney though. Sydney is large, spread across many sq kms. And the increasing population, along with increasing rent ensure that you can't live close to your work more so if you are in a professional office job. Commute of 45 mins - 1.25 hrs one way is pretty normal for everyone and traffic is a part of daily life. Travel might be better than Mumbai in some aspects but not much in terms of time for sure.

All other Aus cities might be different though since travel time won't be that much in say Melbourne or Perth.


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This is no different in Sydney though. Sydney is large, spread across many sq kms. And the increasing population, along with increasing rent ensure that you can't live close to your work more so if you are in a professional office job. Commute of 45 mins - 1.25 hrs one way is pretty normal for everyone and traffic is a part of daily life. Travel might be better than Mumbai in some aspects but not much in terms of time for sure.

All other Aus cities might be different though since travel time won't be that much in say Melbourne or Perth.
May be. But unlike Indian cities, Sydney is not densely populated. Found these figures online.
Density (people per sqKm) :
Mumbai : 29650
Bangalore : 10100
Sydney : 2100

I think these numbers says it all. At least one wont feel suffocated. Forget about cars, I doubt if people travel like they do in Mumbai local in Sydney too or the way people travel in BMTC buses in Bangalore. Traffic is part of a city. In the end its all about how well the system is, how well disciplined, drivers are and how well public transport systems are. It makes a lot of difference if one is not exhausted at the end of the day by spending time in traffic.
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