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My wife might take a new position in Manila with the company she currently works for here in the US. She is a Filipina but got her US Citizenship a few years ago. Our son and I will be joining her and I will continue working for my current employer remotely.

I have a few questions:

1. I assume she will have a work visa. What type of visa will our son and I need in order to stay in the country legally? Will we have to leave once in a while or renew our visa regularly?

2. I am not sure how her employer will pay her, whether it will stay the same (in USD) but I know mine will continue paying me as if I was still located in the US. Will we have to pay income taxes in the Philippines and the US? Or just the US?

3. It will just be the three of us, my son is 3 yrs old. We want to find housing (a condo?) that is in a very safe area, preferably with other expats that is close to shopping, restaurants, etc. We have looked at quite a few places online in Makati (that's where her office is) and the Fort, along with Mandaluyong. Just want some feedback on places we can check.

I really appreciate your help.

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Hello.

My wife might take a new position in Manila with the company she currently works for here in the US. She is a Filipina but got her US Citizenship a few years ago. Our son and I will be joining her and I will continue working for my current employer remotely.

I have a few questions:

1. I assume she will have a work visa. What type of visa will our son and I need in order to stay in the country legally? Will we have to leave once in a while or renew our visa regularly?

2. I am not sure how her employer will pay her, whether it will stay the same (in USD) but I know mine will continue paying me as if I was still located in the US. Will we have to pay income taxes in the Philippines and the US? Or just the US?

3. It will just be the three of us, my son is 3 yrs old. We want to find housing (a condo?) that is in a very safe area, preferably with other expats that is close to shopping, restaurants, etc. We have looked at quite a few places online in Makati (that's where her office is) and the Fort, along with Mandaluyong. Just want some feedback on places we can check.

I really appreciate your help.
I have no knowledge about US tax laws but regarding visas your wife and son should reaquire their Philippine citizenship which would allow them to stay indefinitly, you can entre on a balikbayan visa which is a 1 year free visa. You will then have the option to leave and return to restart the process, your wife must accompany you. Or you could revert to a tourist visa which can for a fee be renewed every 2 months for upto a maximum of 36 months. If this is a perminant move I've go for the 13a residence visa which I'd get in the US before moving as is is easier than applying in the Philippines.
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I have no knowledge about US tax laws but regarding visas your wife and son should reaquire their Philippine citizenship which would allow them to stay indefinitly, you can entre on a balikbayan visa which is a 1 year free visa. You will then have the option to leave and return to restart the process, your wife must accompany you. Or you could revert to a tourist visa which can for a fee be renewed every 2 months for upto a maximum of 36 months. If this is a perminant move I've go for the 13a residence visa which I'd get in the US before moving as is is easier than applying in the Philippines.
Thank you for the reply. My son was born in the US, so would he still be able to get dual citizenship or would he get the same type of visa as me?

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Thank you for the reply. My son was born in the US, so would he still be able to get dual citizenship or would he get the same type of visa as me?
You would obviously need to check this out but he should aquire his citezenship through his mother. So in theory he is already a dual citizen. I suggest you contact your nearest Philippines consulate office where you may need to register his birth.
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My two cents....Another thing to consider, depending on how long there in Manila, will be Schools for your kid. I will have same thing when move there in 2016 to Stay, yet I want to avoid Manila if possible. Fun to visit, but don't want to live there. Anyway, best school if you all can get in, is the International School Manila over near Fort Bonifacio, but not cheap and goes up as level of schooling goes up from $4.8K preschool to $13K high school, or home school, or others, etc. Google it and can get to their informative site. Also, your wife might want to ask employer for housing and school allowances, as in Some cases, those type allowances are not taxed by Uncle Sam. If your companies are U.S. based and paying you into a U.S. Bank account, which I'd suggest, neither of you should be subject to Philippines income taxes, but still be forking over your money to Uncle Sam. At least then you know the turf. Would seem no brainer Your company will be doing that, but she'll need to ensure the same from hers and pay in U.S. dollars, and direct deposit to your U.S. banks. Then you can do the banking set ups in PI in line with multiple prior posts/threads on this site. I cannot speak to places to live in Fort B. or nearby, but there are some great furnished large apartments at several Somerset locations in Makati, and very nice at Frasier Place there as well. I've long term temp resided in both and was very satisfied. Again, idea of housing allowance or paid pre-arranged housing comes into play. My stuff was set up through embassy at some pre-agreed rates; so, your mileage may vary. Look forward to reading how your move and all goes on this one and please keep the forum posted on that, as many of us can learn along the way, especially with kids, schooling, etc.
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My two cents....Another thing to consider, depending on how long there in Manila, will be Schools for your kid. I will have same thing when move there in 2016 to Stay, yet I want to avoid Manila if possible. Fun to visit, but don't want to live there. Anyway, best school if you all can get in, is the International School Manila over near Fort Bonifacio, but not cheap and goes up as level of schooling goes up from $4.8K preschool to $13K high school, or home school, or others, etc. Google it and can get to their informative site. Also, your wife might want to ask employer for housing and school allowances, as in Some cases, those type allowances are not taxed by Uncle Sam. If your companies are U.S. based and paying you into a U.S. Bank account, which I'd suggest, neither of you should be subject to Philippines income taxes, but still be forking over your money to Uncle Sam. At least then you know the turf. Would seem no brainer Your company will be doing that, but she'll need to ensure the same from hers and pay in U.S. dollars, and direct deposit to your U.S. banks. Then you can do the banking set ups in PI in line with multiple prior posts/threads on this site. I cannot speak to places to live in Fort B. or nearby, but there are some great furnished large apartments at several Somerset locations in Makati, and very nice at Frasier Place there as well. I've long term temp resided in both and was very satisfied. Again, idea of housing allowance or paid pre-arranged housing comes into play. My stuff was set up through embassy at some pre-agreed rates; so, your mileage may vary. Look forward to reading how your move and all goes on this one and please keep the forum posted on that, as many of us can learn along the way, especially with kids, schooling, etc.
Thank you for all of that info. My wife grew up in Bulacan so she knows all the schools, and that is one of our biggest priorities. Thanks for the info on the ISM, I will check into it. We will also check out the housing you suggested.

If this is going to happen, it will be within the next 6 months for sure. I will keep everyone updated. More advice and suggestions are always welcome.

Thank you.

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Hello.

My wife might take a new position in Manila with the company she currently works for here in the US. She is a Filipina but got her US Citizenship a few years ago. Our son and I will be joining her and I will continue working for my current employer remotely.

I have a few questions:

1. I assume she will have a work visa. What type of visa will our son and I need in order to stay in the country legally? Will we have to leave once in a while or renew our visa regularly?

2. I am not sure how her employer will pay her, whether it will stay the same (in USD) but I know mine will continue paying me as if I was still located in the US. Will we have to pay income taxes in the Philippines and the US? Or just the US?

3. It will just be the three of us, my son is 3 yrs old. We want to find housing (a condo?) that is in a very safe area, preferably with other expats that is close to shopping, restaurants, etc. We have looked at quite a few places online in Makati (that's where her office is) and the Fort, along with Mandaluyong. Just want some feedback on places we can check.

I really appreciate your help.
No matter what anyone will say on this board it will all come down to what the Philippine Consulate that controls your state of UT requires, here's a quick short cut finder map for the Philippine Consulate, all your questions and paperwork should go through them.

Embassy of the Philippines - Consulate Finder Map

I've ran into US citizens of Philippine decent and they have to go through the whole process of Immigration just like us and those that were Philippine citizens basically go through the same process only it's called repatriation, don't let anyone fool you on this, I ran into a man that was born here while his parents were on vacation from China, the parents stayed and so did he, he's still an Immigrant and in his late 60's, he was complaining about this while we stood in line, I looked up the requirements for being a Philippine citizen and they are many but basically if you have no record and have income and are in good standing in the community after 10 years you can apply for Quota Immigrant status.

If you want to do your Immigrant paper work correctly you'll start out as a Non-Quota Immigrant 13a Visa, below is an example of paper work that I filled out with instructions but from the Chicago Philippine Consulate, it has Chicago headers on it, you'll want to get the correct forms from San Francisco, (anyone not born in the Philippines will use these forms) those that were born in the Philippines will use these forms also but it's called repatriation, double check everything with the consulate.

http://www.chicagopcg.com/forms/newimmigrantform.pdf


and after 10 years dual citizenship is possible and that procedure is a Quota Immigrant, it's gonna be easier to initially have all this done stateside if not you'll be dealing with the mail system and trying to get all your family's legal documents, not fun.

The other Visa's that are easy to get have draw backs, the expense adds up, if you do it correctly your fee's are 310 peso's per year if not here's an example and a table of costs for your Visa below, done recently by one of the expats on this board.

http://www.expatforum.com/expats/att...visa-costs.jpg
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I was simialr to you but i work and we are not from USa. You should be check the official web sites for both countries plus the large accounting firms for any expat info packs.

If usa allows dual citizenship and yiur son was born whist your wife was still a filipino citizen, then your son will be under your wife. You will be under a visa 9g. Otherwise, you will be both under 9g. The big difference is saving airport taxes and staying indefinetly plus your wife would also pay tax on any income earned outside the Philippines and your wife can buy land whereas otherwise limited land lots or condos

Please take care with any visa, the wording of your title is important and do not hand over any original document. A good immigration lawyer is required not a transactional one, the bi keeps changing the rules. We have lost our original marriage certiface to bi records.

I understand that us citizens have to pay tax back in usa regardless of any dta treaty.

I suggest you get a tax briefing from price waterhouse coopers for both us and philippines.

Your wife employer should be providing the above services to you as well as accomodation and schooling allowances

I do not know about you working as a world wide citizen , living in manila but working for a us company.

The above comments are based on what we went thru for our situation, these forums are a conversation point, you need to get the facts from the governments
Or consultants.

In terms of living, try makati or the fort bgc. If your wife will work in makati, may be best to live there as the traffic on mackinley road from bgc to makati can be slow.... Rents can be up to 200,000peso per month or even more.

Hope that this helps,

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I have just recently moved here, (three months now), and I live in Pasay City...nestled between Makati and the Mall of Asia area. I have traveled all over the city for business purposes nearly every day since arriving here, (by taxi and walking), and I can say this from actual personal experience. Makati "IS" a very safe area of Manila to live but the traffic is horrible and it will take you forever to get anywhere unless you can find a nice place to live that is close to your wife's office. Makati is a major financial and business district and the traffic is always heavy there.

The area in and around the Mall of Asia is awesome as far as traffic goes...not much traffic even in heavy rush hour situations...and if the traffic is heavy, at least it is still moving and it really does not take long to get anywhere. I can go from my condo in Pasay to the Mall and back, in less than five minutes and about 60 peso's each way...or I can also walk there if the heat is not too bad and my wife and I have walked all the way to the Mall several times in about 20 minutes or so. Safe, relatively clean and free of the terrible traffic issues. This area is also close to the US Embassy, US Social Security Office, both located on Roxas Blvd. The Mall of Asia is also located right on the end of the EDSA Extension and EDSA is a major bypass around the Manila Metro area and EDSA can usually get you anywhere you need to be faster than going through the city. Although it is not yet completed, they are also in the process of constructing the Skyway, which is an elevated highway with NO traffic lights...similar to a US Interstate highway with on and off ramps. When completed, this will be quick and easier access to many parts of the city as well and the Skyway starts at the international airport and Mall of Asia area. Parts of the Skyway are scheduled to be open later this year.

There are a lot of available condo's near the Mall with banks, shopping, restaurants, private schools, hospitals, etc. all within easy walking distance of each other, (Sea Residences, Shell Residences, etc.) The down side to living hear near the mall is the price! Condo's here are nearly double what they are in other areas of the city. But if your salaries can afford it, it would be worth it for the conveniences and safety factors.

All of the available condo's in the Mall of Asia area are built and operated by SMDC, (notably the richest man in the Philippines and owner of nearly every Mall and Shopping Center in the Philippines, SM Department Stores, SM Malls, SM Hypermarkets, Ace Hardware Stores, etc.). His company owns ALL of the land around the mall and therefore every project is built by his development corporation. And actually after a little research, I learned that this entire water front area was once ocean but this guy managed to fill in the Manila Bay with millions of cubic yards of rock and soil and created several square kilometers of land where before there was none! On this he built his empire and all of his newest buildings are up to code for earthquake and typhoon safety and above flood planes.

Most of the areas in and around the Mall of Asia are above flood stage level and not an issue for flooding or storm damage with typical weather patterns and typhoon threats. The few times it has flooded in this area, it is limited to minor water depths, (inches and NOT feet of water), and the minor flooding only happens during the actual rain storm and shortly after, the area drains very quickly by way of an impressive underground drainage system designed to protect this guys investments and developments and the area returns to normal with only ground level water of a few inches.

An option to consider is knowing what your wife's work schedule will be. If she can go to work and be in her office very early in the morning, she will avoid 90% of the heavy city traffic issues in other parts of the city. Every time I need to be anywhere, I will set a very early morning appointment and travel before the morning rush and I have never had any issues. Sometimes I get up at 4:00 in the morning, shower, eat breakfast and leave around 5am and I can grab a taxi and be anywhere in the city with ABSOLUTELY NO traffic issues ever.

Except for now...since the Pope is here in Manila and traffic is 20 times worse right now than usual...but the Pope will be gone on Monday and hopefully the city will return to normal again on Tuesday of next week.
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Wednesday is the day we find out whether we will be making the move or not. I have an appointment with my accountant who has done a lot of research regarding the income tax situation. He mentioned something about being tax exempt on income up to $100k USD or so, so we will find out.

We have started to look at condos in the Fort, Makati and Pasay. I'm thinking we will end up in Makati, somewhere near Greenbelt or Salcedo Village because it will only be a few blocks from my wife's office. We will have a car we can use from a friend of my wife, who is now living here in the US.

I have also put out some feelers to a couple of the schools in the area, so I'm looking forward to hearing more on that. I will share what I find out.

Thanks for all the help so far. It's very much appreciated!
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