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Security is important ANY WHERE you live. This article is in my opinion crying wolf. You pick up a city newspaper and will see attacks / break-ins are everywhere. Now that Obama has allowed 5 million amnesty lets check the stats in a few months. Now I agree you must be vigilant. I live in a so called secure estate, I have an outside dog and 3 inside dogs. I have CCTV. All this is not a prevention as NOTHING will prevent a culprit from conducting a crime. All this is, is a deterrent in hopes of making them think twice. I spent 20 years in the military and 15 years training soldiers how to build and protect a Forward Operating Base (FOB). Look at Iraq and Afghan does all the weaponry and precaution stop them from attacking NO. Its the same for culprits. By no means am I saying don't take precautions but don't live your life in a cocoon. Then you consider what about when you leave your home? How vulnerable are you then?. So according to this article don't hire a maid or driver, don't allow your GF or wife's family access to your home. Don't hire anyone to do work on your home. Don't allow deliveries to your home Pizza Jollie Bees KFC etc. It's bad enough we have the government forcing us to live a certain life style much less unsavory people.
I agree with your point of view here. At the same time, I understand the article (I did not write it) to be more of a heads-up for those who are making the move here.

What I see are what would be considered as normal, smart, people moving here from many different countries. Then once here, for some reason many act and live as if this is a country filled with simple minded island natives and proceed to throw safety and caution to the wind. In doing so, many have nasty experiences while there are others that end up paying the ultimate price for ignoring safety and related precautions..
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I agree with your point of view here. At the same time, I understand the article (I did not write it) to be more of a heads-up for those who are making the move here.

What I see are what would be considered as normal, smart, people moving here from many different countries. Then once here, for some reason many act and live as if this is a country filled with simple minded island natives and proceed to throw safety and caution to the wind. In doing so, many have nasty experiences while there are others that end up paying the ultimate price for ignoring safety and related precautions..
Absolutely right I would hope that folks just don't up an move anywhere in the world without a little due diligence. In that case would this be best suited in the Mubuhay Corner?

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Letís put some numbers to this discussion.

According to this news article Global homicide: murder rates around the world | News | The Guardian with the data listed here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...yc19QclE#gid=0

The homicide rate in the Philippines is 21 per 100,000 population. That is roughly the range that many African countries fall into. It is only slightly more than Puerto Rica (18.9) and much less than Jamaica ( 33.7) or Russia (29.7) It is about 3 times the US (5.9) rate.

Yes this is bad however there is no data about the rate against foreigners. Murders tend to fall mainly into two categories. Criminals killing criminals or family members killing family members. These sorts of crimes are easy to avoid, simply exercise some precautions about where and when you go and you will not be collateral damage in criminal killings. The issue of family members here can be a little more tricky, you simply do not have the ability to fully access all family members as you would have at home and more of the extended family (and hence unknown persons) are involved in peopleís lives than exists at home.

There are lots of news articles about high murder rates of foreigners here. Most of these have almost a total absence of facts behind them. It is easy to say crime is rampant, gets politicians elected and sells security hardware and services and sells newspapers. Many of the claims are simply too self-serving on their face to be considered seriously.

In Canada right now we have a Conservative government scaring the population by claiming crime is high and that only the Conservatives can protect the people, never mind that the statistics are that crime is falling. In Afghanistan it was common that the local government people would tell us how many guards we needed. If we were much less than this number we would get attacked (harassment fire, nothing serious) as soon as we hired the recommended number the attacks stopped. It was amazing how well the local people of influence could predict to the man how many guards were needed to prevent attacks. It worked no matter how many of the local guards actually showed up for work as long as they were paid we were OK.

Until and unless I see some hard data that foreigners are significantly more likely to be killed or become victims of violent crime here than in other retirement places, Iíll just take normal precautions, avoid dark alleys, not go out of my way to create enemies, lock doors secure valuables, not flash lots of cash etc.
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That data is 2004 10 years old further research would provide different data

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Absolutely right I would hope that folks just don't up an move anywhere in the world without a little due diligence. In that case would this be best suited in the Mubuhay Corner?
For now, will leave the thread here as it is of importance and is directly Philippine related ..
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That data is 2004 10 years old further research would provide different data
And many murders don't get "counted" due to X or Y reason until they are statistically dead (a new term in Philippines ... )

Like the killing of a foreigner in Baguio last year never saw the news because of God Only Knows what reason. I know the fellow can't be more dead than dead and his wife refused to file charges
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I was reading a thread here yesterday (that of course I cant find any more) where I believe jon1 said something to the effect of:

let the family know that if you die, the money stops

I've always thought this excellent advice, but how do you balance that with wanting your Filipina wife to know that if something should happen to you, she and your kids will be taken care of with an insurance policy you've purchased.

One one hand I dont want anyone to know about any insurance I've bought to take care of my wife and kids should I die, but my wife can be a little overprotective because she thinks that if something should happen to me, she and the kids are hosed.

Anyone have any thoughts on this or things that have worked for them?

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I was reading a thread here yesterday (that of course I cant find any more) where I believe jon1 said something to the effect of:

let the family know that if you die, the money stops

I've always thought this excellent advice, but how do you balance that with wanting your Filipina wife to know that if something should happen to you, she and your kids will be taken care of with an insurance policy you've purchased.

One one hand I dont want anyone to know about any insurance I've bought to take care of my wife and kids should I die, but my wife can be a little overprotective because she thinks that if something should happen to me, she and the kids are hosed.

Anyone have any thoughts on this or things that have worked for them?

Thanks!
you never said why you don't: want your wife to know about the insurance.
but make sure she gets it in installments,cause if she is any thing like my partner a lump sum would be all gone in a month.
and of course if any thing mysterious was to happen to you then the insurance dies with

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I was reading a thread here yesterday (that of course I cant find any more) where I believe jon1 said something to the effect of:

let the family know that if you die, the money stops

I've always thought this excellent advice, but how do you balance that with wanting your Filipina wife to know that if something should happen to you, she and your kids will be taken care of with an insurance policy you've purchased.

One one hand I dont want anyone to know about any insurance I've bought to take care of my wife and kids should I die, but my wife can be a little overprotective because she thinks that if something should happen to me, she and the kids are hosed.

Anyone have any thoughts on this or things that have worked for them?

Thanks!
My first thought is why marry the person in the first place if you would feel threatened to tell but maybe this is more to keep others from knowing?

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