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Old 12th October 2014, 06:57 PM
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While washing some dishes in the sink with hot water here in the US it occurred to me I've never seen a house in the PI with hot water in the kitchen.

I know of the wall-mounted hot water heaters you can hook up so isn't a big deal to get hot water to the bathroom or kitchen.

At what point is a PI home plumbed for hot and cold for a central hot water heater? I've been in new homes in gated communities that were still only plumbed for cold water.

Interestingly my off-base home at Clark in the 80s was plumbed for hot and cold and it was even in the low rent district. Plaridel 1. The hot wasn't connected to anything to use it but it was there if I wanted to pursue it.

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I noticed the same thing when I first moved to the Philippines. Most locals feel that if you wash dishes with soapy water that is enough. I am sure it is also about using less electricity since it is expensive.

When I moved into my current place in the Subic Freeport I noticed that even though the house has a central water heater, there was no hot water hooked up in the kitchen (the water heater is literally in a room directly behind the kitchen sink!). Whoever renovated my house didnít even bother to hook up the hot water feed. I quickly remedied that when I renovated the kitchen (again the original renovation was poorly done and the layout was not good). If I didnít have the central water heater I would have hooked up one of those in-line on demand water heaters (definitely uses less electricity).

The next thing was to educate my wife and family on the use of the hot water when washing dishes. The wife got it but her brother and sister, am not so sure. I usually leave the faucet in the hot water position just to make a point.

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I'll add a few drops of bleach to the dish soap and when it comes to difficult or greasy dishes I just heat up some hot water, do miss the warm showers when it's cold.
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I've got a dual outlet angle stop valve underneath my kitchen sink, with one side of the valve connected to the cold water valve on my kitchen faucet, and the other side going to the hot water of the same faucet. Of course both handles on the sink only supply cold water, but at least I can fool visitors into thinking that I have hot water! Sometimes if we really want a few gallons of hot water for cleaning the floor, I usually take a 100' hose and lay it in the sun for about 20 minutes or so. I can usually get about five gallons of good hot water this way (good for cutting grease). Although its not the best for the hose, its better than nothing.

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The water is not normally that cold so I guess people don' t bother. I'll definitly pull centrallised hot water in our place when we renovate it.
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Hot water is not the issue that really gets me it is the drains. I can always heat some water on the gas burner if I need to. They use S traps and they are not vented and everyone just expects that a drain will always stink. ( BTW all of Asia and most of Europe is the same so I am not picking on the Philippines)

For the plumbing challenged in North America the drains are in P traps and are vented so that some water remains between the appliance ( i.e. the sink) and the sewer gases. In an S trap the water may or may not stay in the trap. It can syphon out or be drawn out with a large amount of water passing through the pipes all at once from something like flushing a toilet. That creates a direct path from the sewer into the house and some of the smelly sewer gases are lighter than air and can then enter the house. (Not only smelly, some are inflammable as well).

Look at a North American house and you will see small stubby pipes poking up through the roof. These are the plumbing vents and they allow the lighter than air sewer gases to go away outside the house rather than inside into your food preparation and eating areas.

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I think you will find many houses do have a stink pipe, they are built into the hollow block wall, but may well just vent into the roof space. Here in the UK we use both S and P traps. S is more predominate and Ps are used if space is tight where the flow is lower and no heavy materials like food waste.

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Hot water is not the issue that really gets me it is the drains. I can always heat some water on the gas burner if I need to. They use S traps and they are not vented and everyone just expects that a drain will always stink. ( BTW all of Asia and most of Europe is the same so I am not picking on the Philippines)

For the plumbing challenged in North America the drains are in P traps and are vented so that some water remains between the appliance ( i.e. the sink) and the sewer gases. In an S trap the water may or may not stay in the trap. It can syphon out or be drawn out with a large amount of water passing through the pipes all at once from something like flushing a toilet. That creates a direct path from the sewer into the house and some of the smelly sewer gases are lighter than air and can then enter the house. (Not only smelly, some are inflammable as well).

Look at a North American house and you will see small stubby pipes poking up through the roof. These are the plumbing vents and they allow the lighter than air sewer gases to go away outside the house rather than inside into your food preparation and eating areas.
This explains why my drains smell when I come back here from vacation.

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This explains why my drains smell when I come back here from vacation.
Could also be evaporation from the trap. If some water stays in the trap it does evaporate and can open the path from the sewer to the house. Normal use keeps the trap flooded.

Just pour a little water into the trap when there is a smell and it will block the gas path.

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All my sinks toilets have p-traps. I had my house built to accomidate hot water. We are renovating our kitchen niw and placining a 20 gallon hot water heater. I decided to go with seperate heaters instead of the entire house. The piping for the hot water is a little more expensive, but the special tool required to connect them is expensive. I renterd one cost 10k for 2 days

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