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Kavite Kenny 27th August 2014 08:11 AM

about ongoing tickets
 
Hello all... I've been reading and reading this forum and learning for a couple weeks. What an awesome site. This is my first post.

I will be moving to Cavite full time finally in 17 weeks...in December!

I understand the typical trick when moving to stay with purchasing one way ticket, is to buy a cheap one way "throw away" to fullfill the ongoing/returning ticket requirement.

I'm curoius...if my asawa and I decide to take a couple days to hong kong for example, upon returning to philippines will I need another ongoing ticket upon re-entry to Manila?

Also... if I need to leave country and return to fulfill the visa requirement...buying a cheap round trip someplace, again need a ongoing ticket to fulfill ongoing ticket requirement?

When does it stop?
Thanks!

Gary D 27th August 2014 08:37 AM

In theory yes

Manitoba 27th August 2014 09:11 AM

I have entered the Philippines 4 times in the last year.

Twice I had onward tickets issued by the same airline so there was no issue.

Once I was asked for onward ticket and once I was not asked for onward ticket by the check in airline personnel.

In none of the 4 times was I ever asked for an onward ticket by Philippine Immigration, just walked up to the booth, handed over my passport smiled while it was stamped and walked on my way inside of a minute. Never exchanged a word with the Immigration guy other than good morning (or evening as the case may be) and thank you when handed back my passport.


If I needed a onward ticket, why waste a throw away ticket when you can buy fully refundable tickets? They cost more but you will get 100% back when you cancel the ticket. (Note in all 4 cases I had valid onward tickets that I ended up using.)

Or if you were slightly dishonest, why not simply modify the electronic ticket you had in the past to a future date since it is just to show the airline personnel?


I have also been hassled going to Dubai for not having an onward ticket. I just showed my e-gate pass which looks really official and has UAE immigration written on it and my picture and claimed I was a resident and allowed to stay, was allowed on aircraft no issues. I plan on doing the same in the PI once I have a ARC i card.

Are onward tickets needed for visa extensions or not?

George6020 27th August 2014 09:23 AM

Not a bad idea what Manitoba said about buying a refundable ticket, then cancelling it for the refund.
YES, technically you do need an onward ticket out of the Philippines. Maybe they ask for it, maybe they don't........but why take the chance and the hassle??

What I try to do is......get the onward ticket as far out as possible(6 months or more)...........and YES I have used the same ticket for short trip to HK and Singapore, as long as its not expired.

Gary D 27th August 2014 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manitoba (Post 5052506)
I have entered the Philippines 4 times in the last year.

Twice I had onward tickets issued by the same airline so there was no issue.

Once I was asked for onward ticket and once I was not asked for onward ticket by the check in airline personnel.

In none of the 4 times was I ever asked for an onward ticket by Philippine Immigration, just walked up to the booth, handed over my passport smiled while it was stamped and walked on my way inside of a minute. Never exchanged a word with the Immigration guy other than good morning (or evening as the case may be) and thank you when handed back my passport.


If I needed a onward ticket, why waste a throw away ticket when you can buy fully refundable tickets? They cost more but you will get 100% back when you cancel the ticket. (Note in all 4 cases I had valid onward tickets that I ended up using.)

Or if you were slightly dishonest, why not simply modify the electronic ticket you had in the past to a future date since it is just to show the airline personnel?


I have also been hassled going to Dubai for not having an onward ticket. I just showed my e-gate pass which looks really official and has UAE immigration written on it and my picture and claimed I was a resident and allowed to stay, was allowed on aircraft no issues. I plan on doing the same in the PI once I have a ARC i card.

Are onward tickets needed for visa extensions or not?

It's the port of departure that you need to worry about, not Philippines immigration. It's the airlines that are heavily fined so they are the ones to police it.

JimnNila143 27th August 2014 11:08 AM

Coming to Cavite
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kavite Kenny (Post 5051650)
Hello all... I've been reading and reading this forum and learning for a couple weeks. What an awesome site. This is my first post.

I will be moving to Cavite full time finally in 17 weeks...in December!

I understand the typical trick when moving to stay with purchasing one way ticket, is to buy a cheap one way "throw away" to fullfill the ongoing/returning ticket requirement.

I'm curoius...if my asawa and I decide to take a couple days to hong kong for example, upon returning to philippines will I need another ongoing ticket upon re-entry to Manila?

Also... if I need to leave country and return to fulfill the visa requirement...buying a cheap round trip someplace, again need a ongoing ticket to fulfill ongoing ticket requirement?

When does it stop?
Thanks!

What part of Cavite do you plan to stay in? Send me a private email.

If your asawa mo is Filipina, and she petitions you for permanent residency, you may not have to have that ongoing ticket leaving the country. When you and your wife return to the Philippines, she will return as a Balikbayan Filipina and you would accompany her. The only thing is, once you start the permanent residency process, you cannot leave the country and once you have your ACR card, you have to get permission to leave the country. If she is already in-country, she has to have permission to leave with you for you to fly together to another country.

Manitoba 27th August 2014 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary D (Post 5052914)
It's the port of departure that you need to worry about, not Philippines immigration. It's the airlines that are heavily fined so they are the ones to police it.

I agree. That is why I rather tounge in cheek suggested doctoring an e-ticket from a different date to use to get your boarding card.

Using my UAE e-gate card and hopefully my ARC I card is another way around it. May not work going to Philippine from UAE as many check in people are from Philipines themselves.

I used the UAE e-gate from card in Canada.

On the other hand, since no one checks it on arrival, how much trouble can an airline actually get into for not checking it on departure?

Manitoba 27th August 2014 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimnNila143 (Post 5054130)
.....once you have your ACR card, you have to get permission to leave the country......

First I have heard of this except for a stay greater than 6 months where you need an ECC.

Gary D 27th August 2014 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manitoba (Post 5054562)
First I have heard of this except for a stay greater than 6 months where you need an ECC.

I'm a bit hazy abpout this but I think you pay for your first exit when you get your first card. You then have 1 year to use it or lose it.

Josef-01 27th August 2014 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimnNila143 (Post 5054130)
The only thing is, once you start the permanent residency process, you cannot leave the country and once you have your ACR card, you have to get permission to leave the country. If she is already in-country, she has to have permission to leave with you for you to fly together to another country.

Wow... that a bit new info for me. So once I got permanent residency I am not free to travel, that what you say? Where or who I have to ask to leave the country?


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