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Old 10th October 2020, 02:41 AM
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Unfortunately, I do not believe that this new ID system can ever replace all other forms of Government issued ID's

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But wouldn't it be nice to just have ONE centralized ID that serves as your Drivers License and Postal ID and TIN and PRC License and SRRV Visa, etc...

I agree it will never happen. I doubt if it will ever happen anywhere let alone here for a long time because of the connectivity, privacy and security issues.

Add in passport and I' m. Better yet just an implantable NFC/RFID chip to do it all. But...issues...
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You hit the nail on the head Rick. Big brother etc. If first world countries can't pull this off. Dictatorships in a few countries by mandate could but are too busy wasting money in private train systems while the populous starve but hey, I didn't say that.

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Sweden HAVE only two since 30+ years. (Beside companies and such can make special ones showing a person is working for them.)
1. Drivers licence. (As I wrote earlier this need to be separate because this can be taken by police direct.)
2. A national ID. There are both officials making them (as e g police) and private companies (as e g banks) but all follow SAME system so any of them are valid everywhere inside Sweden.

But Sweden realy have a big brother made system It's a "Person number" which follow us from birth (as long as not emmigrate and come back) . It's good in SOME cases for us persons by much are autoimated so we don't need to do much things ourself beside telling our number. but can be missused by officials who can get into the system (although there are restrictions against that even NOT allowed for officials to use it to find frauds automaticly, but allowed to use it for investigations when a person have done something to become suspected.) So that part is both good and bad, BUT the idiot poiliticians have made part of it OFFICIAL S > as person number, time of birth, born in which region, sex, taxed income and adress so criminals can find info to make IDENTITY THEFT. I believe assets as real estate and business owning are public too. Many companies try to sell "protectiion" against that, but what they offer don't function. When they call to try to sell me such I just answer:
-If it will happen to me, I will just don't pay, forward the bills to the idiot parlament, who have made such info public, and move abroad...

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NOT ONLY WILL IT HAPPEN BUT IT HAS ALREADY STARTED!!!!!

RESISDENT FOREIGNERS WILL BE REQUIRED BY PHILIPPINE LAW TO REGISTER FOR THIS NEW NATIONAL ID CARD UNDER REPUBLIC ACT NUMBER 11055:


https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Phi...ional-ID-cards

Monday, October 12th, 2020, he Philippines began the official registration process for the new National ID Card system! ALL Philippine Nationals and resident foreigners will be REQUIRED to register!!!

In case the above link fails...here is a copy of the posted article that was also reported on the local news as well as CNN Philippines:

MANILA -- The Philippines began Monday registering millions of citizens for its national identification system, hoping to promote electronic payments and make it easier for low-income earners without bank accounts to access financial services.

All Philippine citizens and resident foreigners are required to register such information as name, sex, date of birth, place of birth, blood type, address and nationality. Biometric data -- fingerprints, facial photos and iris scans -- also will be stored.

The country's current system, in which different agencies issue their own numbers, has been criticized as inconvenient. The new system will grant each person a unique number that can be used across agencies. The government hopes to make financial services more accessible to low-income workers who lack bank accounts as well as facilitate delivery of government services.

Officials from the Philippine statistics agency will visit homes to collect the personal information, completing the process before President Rodrigo Duterte's term ends in June 2022. The system is scheduled to begin operation in the second half of 2021 for services such as visa issuances.

A survey found 73% public support for the new ID system, suggesting that little concern exists over the collection of personal information by the government.

Karl Kendrick Chua, acting secretary of the National Economic and Development Authority, said the ID system will accelerate growth of the digital economy. He expressed hope that the national system will spark widespread use of electronic payments. Partnerships with the private sector also appear to be on the table.

Cash remains king in the Philippines despite moves by telecommunications companies PLDT and Globe Telecom to bring e-money into the mainstream.
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Nobody needs or uses ID in the PI. I never carry any on me and have never been asked to show any.

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I thought this was addressed on one of our threads but I can't find it, but if you read the links it's a requirement for us Expats and probably won't be one until the end of 2022.


Here's link to Republic Act No. 11055 https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/2...-act-no-11055/

Easier to read version of Republic Act No. 11055: https://www.lawphil.net/statutes/rep...1055_2018.html

Section 10, Addresses alternative documents for resident Aliens so I guess that would include our ACR ID cards.


In a media interview last Oct. 1, PSA Assistant Secretary Rosalinda Bautista said all Filipinos, including resident aliens, can choose whether or not to apply for the national ID, explaining that it is voluntary. https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/101898...-authority-psa

Surgio Barbers (2nd district Rep) disagreed with the PSA, saying that RA 11055, which was enacted on Aug. 6, 2018, clearly provides that establishment of the PhilSys or a single identification system for all Filipino citizens and resident aliens.
He said through the Phil ID, one can transact business in all government and private agencies and offices since the national ID is considered proof of identity, (This is not voluntary, but mandatory. I am wondering why those from the Philippine Statistics Authority are saying that this is voluntary, this is not voluntary. This is mandatory wherein all Filipinos will have their so-called PhilSys ID). https://mb.com.ph/2020/10/04/nationa...atory-barbers/


So if this becomes a requirement for Immigration check ins and renewals plus if you're a member of Phil Health then I guess we'll have to get one, the cost is supposed to be free if you qualify.
Please keep us updated. Thanks for the info.
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Maybe off track here but a few months ago after me harassing the better half for a year to register to vote, never accomplished and he is 29, he went to register with his ID (birth cert, DL, passport, electricity bill etc) and was turned away and told to come back once he knew his electoral area! Go figure! He asked how he could find out the info and was advised to ask our neighbours.......... He did, went back and was registered to vote.

For over 40 years I have voted and always advise the electoral commission (Australia) of a change of address, They then formalise with a letter/more recently via email my new polling particulars so I can vote in my new area. When I moved to the Philippines I advised them I was travelling extensively for years and asked to be taken off the roll, formalised with an email, took me off the voting roll, go online to re register. In Australia if you are a registered voter there is a fine if you don't,,,,, not my rules but we follow.

How can/will a national ID be implemented here when a voter has to tell the people he is registering with his electoral area? The BS with number plates. (18 months on still waiting for the plates for one of the bikes) The express lane fees, last week PHP 1,000 and I was the only punter in the building for the 5 minutes was there, still can't do a 6 month extension, Manila sir, again go figure, data base problems or?

Most government departments are cellular in all countries, many want to keep their anonymity/independence or lack facilities/technology to link. Many are aligned and access to all government bodies can be gained through a central link if you chose to register with them and all your gory details are available for you to access. (Government also) Australia tried to implement a national ID card years ago, I don't have one and I think it generally fell on deaf ears,,,,,, just someone else trying to justify their position/funding etc.

Honestly and OMO can you see this happen here given the difficulties?

Cheers, Steve.
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Nobody needs or uses ID in the PI. I never carry any on me and have never been asked to show any.

Zep, That's great that you don't need to have or carry any ID's but I unfortunately do not fall into the same category...

I use my ID's ALL the time...when I opened a bank account, they "require" two forms of ID...my Passport and a Philippine Government issued ID...the same when I applied for my TIN Number, (because my wife and I own several businesses) here in the Philippines...I needed local ID. Plus, since COVID19, I have ordered a few items on line, (against my better judgement), so I applied for a Philippine based Credit Card to make online purchases easier, (not all websites offer COD), and they "require" a Philippine Government issued ID Card in order to apply for a Credit Card at my bank. Plus my wife and I, (prior to COVID19), love to travel and making reservations and bookings online is so much easier with proper ID and Credit Cards; And I drive and have an SRRV Retirement Visa, which "requires" that I have both a Philippine Driver's License; (because my international license expired); and an SRRV ID Card. On top of that, I get my maintenance medications from the V.A. Regional Medical Facility in Manila and these prescriptions are sent out to my home by private courier...who "require" a locally issued photo ID before they will give me my package...PLUS...best of all...I have a Philippine PWD ID Card, (person with disability), that netted me more than 12,000 pesos in savings last year in food and medication purchases, (more than 1,000 pesos per month savings), and transportation services here in the Philippines are required to give a 20% discount, (LTO regulations), if you have an appropriate senior citizen, PWD or student ID...

But...all of that aside, whether we need or use any forms of ID or not is not in question and a matter of personal preference and I applaud you for having a simpler life without the use of any ID's; however; according to the Philippine Government and the newly passed Republic Act for this National ID System...we do not have a choice as ALL foreigners residing in the Philippines are required to register for this ID... ,whether we use it or not...

I do not necessarily agree with everything the Philippine Government does or why they do it but I just remind myself that I am a guest in this country and I freely choose to abide by their laws regardless of my personal thoughts or beliefs.

In the U.S. there would be a huge hassle with the passage of such a law because privacy groups would complain about who is collecting ALL of this private data and information: name, address, contact numbers, birthdate, biometrics, facial recognition photographs, fingerprints and now a retinal scan of your eyes and who is going to be in charge of storing ALL of this private information and what are the guarantees that this information is not going to be hacked or used unofficially by someone other than those who are supposed to use it...

A lot to think about it but when it is all said and done, I will voluntarily register for this new National ID and remain flying low under the radar and not refusing to follow the local laws so as NOT to draw unnecessary attention to myself. I am just here as a guest and wish to live a quiet , private, secluded, happy retirement life with my wife and absolutely NO hassles!

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Maybe off track here but a few months ago after me harassing the better half for a year to register to vote, never accomplished and he is 29, he went to register with his ID (birth cert, DL, passport, electricity bill etc) and was turned away and told to come back once he knew his electoral area! Go figure! He asked how he could find out the info and was advised to ask our neighbours.......... He did, went back and was registered to vote.

For over 40 years I have voted and always advise the electoral commission (Australia) of a change of address, They then formalise with a letter/more recently via email my new polling particulars so I can vote in my new area. When I moved to the Philippines I advised them I was travelling extensively for years and asked to be taken off the roll, formalised with an email, took me off the voting roll, go online to re register. In Australia if you are a registered voter there is a fine if you don't,,,,, not my rules but we follow.

How can/will a national ID be implemented here when a voter has to tell the people he is registering with his electoral area? The BS with number plates. (18 months on still waiting for the plates for one of the bikes) The express lane fees, last week PHP 1,000 and I was the only punter in the building for the 5 minutes was there, still can't do a 6 month extension, Manila sir, again go figure, data base problems or?

Most government departments are cellular in all countries, many want to keep their anonymity/independence or lack facilities/technology to link. Many are aligned and access to all government bodies can be gained through a central link if you chose to register with them and all your gory details are available for you to access. (Government also) Australia tried to implement a national ID card years ago, I don't have one and I think it generally fell on deaf ears,,,,,, just someone else trying to justify their position/funding etc.

Honestly and OMO can you see this happen here given the difficulties?

Cheers, Steve.


I totally agree Steve and I for one do NOT think they will be successful with this venture...but again, I just keep reminding myself that I am a visitor here, (and do not want to give the government any reason to deport me), so I just quietly abide by the rules and the laws of this country whether I agree with them or not. In the end, it does not matter what we think or feel...the Government here can force us to do whatever they want us to do...so I just jump through the hoops and move on with my life!

I don't like it but it is what it is...

I am always reminded of the recent event...many of you may have seen on the internet a few months back...where a man from Europe, (Spain I think...), and living with his wife in Makati, was defending his domestic helper who was being hassled by the Police for not wearing a facemask after the outbreak of the virus. The current law was to wear a face mask when out in public...but this lady was clearly NOT out in public and located well away from the road on private property, (watering plants)! The police wanted to fine her 1,000 pesos...if it were me, I would have just paid the fine and moved on...

Instead, the foreigner came outside and argued with the police, the situation escalated out of control and they arrested and deported the man...OVER A FACE MASK ISSUE!!!!!


I mean really? Getting deported over a face mask???


I fully believe the foreigner was right, (the helper DID NOT need to wear a Face Mask under the current Philippine Law while separated far from the public on privately owned property), BUT I also think the foreigner did NOT handle the situation properly! Once the foreigner started arguing with the police, it became a matter of them saving face and not being embarrassed in front of all the neighbors that were watching the confrontation, resulting in the foreigner getting the best of them! SO, to WIN the confrontation, the Police were forced to arrest the foreigner and "Save Face" in front of their countrymen...

The same applys here...why get the authorities all riled up over registering for an ID that may or may not work and possibly deport me for failure to abide by their laws?

Stay Safe Out There Everyone...
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Here is the link for the implementing agency. It may time out due to many visitors at once.

https://psa.gov.ph/philsys

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