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With the recent announcement from the Philippine Department of Tourism, (DOT), and their development of these so called "Travel Bubbles" and the phenomenal success of the recent, (Philippine Travel Exchange), PhiTEX 2020 Event in Bohol, which brought nearly a thousand tourism businesses and experts from around the world; together for a week long series of seminars and meetings regarding the implementation of tourist protocols to reopen the tourism sector; ended this past weekend and was met with both success and failure!

The success? All necessary protocols were properly met and guidelines were set for the proper reopening of popular tourist destinations with more than 17 million pesos in revenue generated from advance travel and hotel reservations in just ONE day as reported by the Provincial Government of Bohol and posted in the Manila Times yesterday.

The Failure? Before traveling, ALL delegates to this event were required to undergo a test for the COVID19 virus and again before leaving here to return home. Upon arrival ALL delegates were negative...but upon departure, one delegate tested POSITIVE for the virus and has since been isolated.

The Problem? In a preliminary investigation, it was determined that the delegate did NOT become infected here in Bohol but rather was infected in Manila and brought the virus with them from Manila! The delegate was evidently infected and the virus did not show up in the initial travel test for the virus because it was before the incubation period and subsequently showed up in their system and manifested after arriving in Bohol.

Contact Tracing was completed yesterday with the DOT and the Bohol Provincial Government reporting that the incident is isolated and NO ONE ELSE was infected or tested positive...BUT..."IF" the original delegate can have a negative test result before the virus has had a chance to incubate in their body, then why can't this happen to ALL of the other delegates who were tested during contact tracing, which was obviously before the virus would have had a chance to fully incubate? Shouldn't they ALL be tested again AFTER the virus has had a chance to fully incubate?

How many of these delegates tested negative and the virus just has not had a chance to fully incubate yet? You CANNOT have a positive test result until the virus has had a chance to incubate and show up in your system before you will receive an accurate result! Typically, when someone tests positive, they actually came into contact with the virus as many as 2 to 7 days before the test shows a positive result! The experts know this...so why are the authorities allowing required testing just 2 days before authorized travel?

It seems to me that if these authority figures really want to reopen various sectors of the economy...the FIRST thing they need to do is perfect their testing capabilities so that accurate and reliable results can be observed...

This week the island of Boracay was reopened to domestic tourism and many agencies are pressing people to feel free to travel to Boracay and have a much needed vacation and stating that no unnecessary quarantines will be implemented. Is this smart? Or is it a recipe for disaster?

WAKE UP PEOPLE...AND EVERYONE PLEASE BE SAFE OUT THERE...
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Here in Boracay it was pretty much a failure - so far. For the last couple of months Boracay was open to tourists from within Region VI. No testing required. Tourism went up, but not enough to really save the businesses.

So on 1OCT they opened the island to tourism from anywhere in the PIs - but everyone has to be tested first (except Aklanos). What happened was that initially there were lots of hotel reservations, then they announced that testing was required and almost all reservations were cancelled.

In the first 3 days there were barely 100 tourists show up. Now, not even Region VI (Iloilo, Bacolod, Antique etc) can come here without a test. So... tourism has decreased from last month.

They do need better testing, and I understand the need for safety, but as a tourist I would not bother traveling as long as a test is required. Too much trouble, and too much expense.
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You know I used to (still wish to) travel internationally for the last 30 + years. Now? Sadly for us we will ride this one out and focus on the immediate problems here in the Philippines and the problems that constantly arise. Personally I think 2 to 3 years before this pandemic opens to what we had before, free unhindered international and domestic travel, fingers crossed. The damage and fatalities in the business world?
In the mean time dealing with local restrictions are somewhat difficult and being pretty well confined to our property, more so our Province I try to focus on other pertinent issues here.

When I first booked my flight in Feb this year to return home C-19 was not in the news, when I arrived mid March our regular hotel advised to get out of town as Manila was about to be locked down. Wake up call for us, the hotel so far has honoured the next nights booked/paid stay advising their customers accordingly the situation back then. A wake up call to all back then.

Once home in the province I researched and found Australia and the Philippines on par with infections,,,,, from memory both around the number 60 mark according to the link below back then.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Now even with Australia suffering a second wave they are 78th on the list and PH has climbed to #19,,,,,, not good.

I give credence to government bodies limiting international tourism to both protect the travellers as well as the citizens,,,,, no matter the country. Listen to the scientists and doctors, not the politicians.

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Here in Boracay it was pretty much a failure - so far. For the last couple of months Boracay was open to tourists from within Region VI. No testing required. Tourism went up, but not enough to really save the businesses.

So on 1OCT they opened the island to tourism from anywhere in the PIs - but everyone has to be tested first (except Aklanos). What happened was that initially there were lots of hotel reservations, then they announced that testing was required and almost all reservations were cancelled.

In the first 3 days there were barely 100 tourists show up. Now, not even Region VI (Iloilo, Bacolod, Antique etc) can come here without a test. So... tourism has decreased from last month.

They do need better testing, and I understand the need for safety, but as a tourist I would not bother traveling as long as a test is required. Too much trouble, and too much expense.

I agree 100% with your comment about safety and we all need to try to do our part in containing this situation and bring it under control, (HOPEFULLY).

My wife and I had booked an advanced trip to Boracay in December of 2019 and we were scheduled to travel there in March of 2020 for my birthday and do some scuba diving and relaxing...needless to say, the trip was canceled and we are still trying to recoup our expenses from the paid in advance hotel and air travel. I am of the same thoughts as you...its too much hassle traveling right now as long as it is NOT completely safe and as long as they have all of these restrictions in place! Who would want to travel and spend all of your leisure time getting additional travel authorizations, medical tests, and possible quarantines? It's supposed to be an enjoyable trip...a vacation...

Here in Bohol they will allow you to travel to other areas of the Philippines but you must first apply for and get approved for travel with 3 separate travel authorizations! ONE from your local Barangay Captain, ONE from your Municipal Mayor where you reside and ONE from the Provincial Office of the Governor! AND you cannot do them ALL at the same time because you need your Barangay travel authorization approved BEFORE you can even apply for the Municipal travel authorization and again...that one must be approved BEFORE you can apply for the Provincial travel authorization! PLUS getting several COVID tests...ONE test result copy must be attach to each of your 3 travel applications...then a SECOND COVID test just prior to your departure to travel AND a 3rd COVID test upon your return here to Bohol! AND THAT IS JUST WHAT BOHOL REQUIRES and does NOT include what your destination location will require!!!

And ALL of this is at your personal expense! It might be different if it were a very serious and necessary reason to travel but for a vacation? Who would want to endure all of that hassle and additional expense...SORRY, I think I will just wait it out!
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Now even with Australia suffering a second wave they are 78th on the list and PH has climbed to #19,,,,,, not good.

I give credence to government bodies limiting international tourism to both protect the travellers as well as the citizens,,,,, no matter the country. Listen to the scientists and doctors, not the politicians.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

Absolutely not so good and as of this morning, the Philippines is still the number 19 spot on the list of the WORST countries with COVID cases according to the Johns Hopkins website, ( https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/ ), but they are soon to move up and overtake both Saudi and Italy, which will put the Philippines up into the #17 position! Again...not so good! As current trends unfold, both Saudi and Italy are growing slower and the Philippines daily case rate is higher than those two countries which will certainly guarantee the Philippines will probably move even higher on the list!

But something many people may not have noticed is that 5 of the top 9 countries in the world with rapidly growing daily cases of COVID19 are ALL in Central and South America making it certain to be the next global hotspot in the fight against this pandemic:

#3 BRAZIL
#5 COLUMBIA
#6 ARGENINA
#8 PERU
#9 MEXICO

PLUS #14 CHILE and eight additional South and Central American countries are close behind and moving up rapidly...from Guatemala and Bolivia to Honduras and Costa Rica...

And...Africa is not far behind South America!

And Russia has experienced a phenomenally HUGE spike in the number of daily cases!

And India is certain to overtake the United states as the absolute highest ranked country of COVID cases in the World as India, (6.9 million), rapidly gains on the already high number of cases in the United States, (7.0 million).

Bottom line is clear...this health issue will certainly pass with time BUT it is also certainly here for a while! I don't think we will see the end of it for 2 or 3 years or until a true vaccine is developed...so hunker down everyone and PLEASE stay safe out there!
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I agree to a point with what you are saying but one also needs to read all of the data to get a true picture of the reality.
While the US has been a clear winner for quite some time with the number of infections but about to be outdone by India, yes by total infections, one has to remember India has over 4 times the population of the US.

Let's look at cases per capita.

Peru. Total cases per million 25,339 Total deaths per million 1,000
USA. " 23,629. " 657
India. " 4,989. " 77
Philippines. " 3,018. " 55
Australia. " 1,064. " 35
Sudan. " 310. " 19
China. " 59. " 3

Hopefully the last is reporting correctly.

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I agree to a point with what you are saying but one also needs to read all of the data to get a true picture of the reality.
While the US has been a clear winner for quite some time with the number of infections but about to be outdone by India, yes by total infections, one has to remember India has over 4 times the population of the US.

Let's look at cases per capita.

Peru. Total cases per million 25,339 Total deaths per million 1,000
USA. " 23,629. " 657
India. " 4,989. " 77
Philippines. " 3,018. " 55
Australia. " 1,064. " 35
Sudan. " 310. " 19
China. " 59. " 3

Hopefully the last is reporting correctly.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

You are absolutely correct Steve...we must take a look a the total picture! I was not aware of the statistics you posted...those are very interesting...thanks for posting...where did you find those numbers? I would like to review that info for a better understanding of what is going on...

A lot of people make a big deal out of the high case numbers from the US but they fail to realize also that the US has tested more people than the rest of the world and if all of the other countries did more testing, their numbers would go up also because of all the mild and asymptomatic cases not known and thereby not reported.

I would also like to see the numbers of cases per million and the total deaths per million for a few other countries...like Mexico and Russia...

Do you have a website URL where you found that info? Thanks in advance...

Stay safe out there everyone;
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I agree to a point with what you are saying but one also needs to read all of the data to get a true picture of the reality.
While the US has been a clear winner for quite some time with the number of infections but about to be outdone by India, yes by total infections, one has to remember India has over 4 times the population of the US.

Let's look at cases per capita.

Peru. Total cases per million 25,339 Total deaths per million 1,000
USA. " 23,629. " 657
India. " 4,989. " 77
Philippines. " 3,018. " 55
Australia. " 1,064. " 35
Sudan. " 310. " 19
China. " 59. " 3

Hopefully the last is reporting correctly.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.
Here is a list of 150 countries:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-inhabitants/

Are the reports accurate by country? Maybe or maybe not! If you are the country where it started would you give honest figures? Or would you fudge the figures to your benefit. Did that country lock down the area it started in to prevent spread in their own country, but allow infected to fly around the world? Could some rates in some countries be higher because they count Covid as cause of death even if it is not the major factor? USA pays hospitals 20% more for Covid death than death from other causes. Would this possibly lead to higher Covid cause of death rate?

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Yes the BIG picture. I posted the link, my info gathering, 5 contributions ago, add it to your bookmarks. If you look at Canada 9 times less population but double the US testing. Other countries that have similar testing regimes to the US. Russia, UK, Israel, Australia, Poland, Belgium and I'll let you scour the figures Rick.
Simple fact is that some countries mucked up with their handling and are paying the price, sad and extremely unfortunate for those loved ones wondering what the hell happened.

You know, I went into my local immi office today, half an hour after they opened to extend yet again my visa, I got the #1 and the German dude that came after me already had his paperwork filled out and would not move from the window, he considered he was first inline having #2 and had to be removed away from the window by security, wait your turn sport, he left and let his wife/lady accomplish, still no stickers after 4 months and bring your receipts back sir,,,,,,, the gentleman in question stood out the front and gave me a dirty look as I want to the car, looked like he has been here a heck of a lot longer than me and has learnt nothing.

Tourism? Ain't happening here unless you want to go through all the protocols that many others have mentioned and sadly many businesses we used to frequent have gone out of business. The early hand outs from the Barangay stopped 4 months ago. (we gave them to share with the locals) I see the poor but they still smile, I see the new buildings going up on the tourist strips accomplished by the optimistic believers, we will get back to a semblance of normal with tourists both local and internationally but I wonder how long but in the mean time I sit typing on the beach in my cocoon.

Cheers, Steve.

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A lot of people make a big deal out of the high case numbers from the US but they fail to realize also that the US has tested more people than the rest of the world and if all of the other countries did more testing, their numbers would go up also because of all the mild and asymptomatic cases not known and thereby not reported.

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Your numbers are not correct, USA only #3 in tests per million population.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ies-worldwide/

Conclusion correct, more testing is needed to control the spread, not testing is missing the asymptomatic cases and allowing unchecked spread by people who think that they are healthy.
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