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Back on topic, I would question the 2 nationals mentioned and their lack of ability to monitor/govern their own modus operandi and their faith in that/a company. As said sh*t went down.

I have worked legally twice in the Philippines and my employer/company US. always asked for my passport every 2 months to extend my work visa, returned a couple of days later, the immi stamps are there in my old passport and never a problem, never questioned.
Over the years I have learnt on expat sites that there are genuine people, opportunists and scammers and as always Joe throws up tid bits for us to get our teeth into for an opinion right or wrong.

Possibly the two in question were innocent or no and fled wisely and are now plying their trade in another country and or counting their lucky stars.

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I have noticed in every expat community that there is always a fraction of the people who think that working on a tourist visa is OK and not a big deal. This seams to be more pronounced in part time and casual, cash paying jobs.

It really is not a big deal, until they get caught then some places make it a huge deal.

Anyone getting deported or banned for knowingly violating visa terms gets zero sympathy from me.

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I have noticed in every expat community that there is always a fraction of the people who think that working on a tourist visa is OK and not a big deal.
Basicly I agree with you (=Correct it's a crime t o work without having it.)

Except:
/People working through internet so can work from anywhere in the worl, at least them working through internet in their home country and are realy tourists for a shorter while.
/Some of the volontary jobs them in known aid organisations. Because if it would be any then it can be used for cheating just calling it volontary work but geting pay for it. Or when it's obviously no pay. E g I suppouse coaching obviously no pay for leading a team of 7 yo kids in basketball
/I don't know if expats need work permit for doing work AT own home. Some say so. But it would be silly IF itĘs illegal to e g cooking food for own family or cut grass at own lawn...

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Anyone getting deported or banned for knowingly violating visa terms gets zero sympathy from me.
It isn't sure it's knowingly. The employer can have said itĘs solved and many people don't check things as proper as us

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Like if the mayor's kid loses out to the kid of the guy who opposed him last election?
It don''t need to be someone with power, anyone can report, it don't even need to be true to make a problem for the foreigner. E g
/I don't know if it's true but a successful foreign businessman claim his documents were in order when his FFilipina wife together with hiis Filipino businesspartner reported him to get the business for themselves, reported him and he got deported.
/One of the expats, who earn rather much at videos showing life in the Philippines. He financed fatening of a few pigs handled by his wife and mother-in-law. Their long waterhose to the pigpen had been sabotaged and he comente it was jelous people so I suppouse itwasn'tthe first time Lucky for him (?) they haven't reported him for not having work permit for the vloging work. That American check things rather good, so perhaps he has work permit. But one of the other expat vlogers I guess don't have, because he don't seem to keep order of anything Perhaps this second has got deported because I haven't seen any new videos from him in over a year. (Although I haven't searched because most did show his messy life, but he was very good at living cheap e g his rent was 2000 p for a 2 room house because he had done repairwork himself at it e g some plumming.)

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You don't need to be paid just deprive a local of income.

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You don't need to be paid just deprive a local of income.
Then one of the working expats DIDN'T do it, because if he hadn't done it himself it wouldn't have been done, because he was short of money

Where do they draw the line for such - partly - stupid definition?
Aren't foreigners allowed to do anything of the work in own home?
Are we allowed to take care of own kids...?
Are we even allowed to dress ourselves ? - There are dresser occupations...

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Then one of the working expats DIDN'T do it, because if he hadn't done it himself it wouldn't have been done, because he was short of money

Where do they draw the line for such - partly - stupid definition?
Aren't foreigners allowed to do anything of the work in own home?
Are we allowed to take care of own kids...?
Are we even allowed to dress ourselves ? - There are dresser occupations...
Welcome to the Philippines.
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Welcome to the Philippines.
There are more related odd things.
A foreigner IS allowed to be (part) owner of an Education business. (Even full owner if main income come from abroad.)
If having work permit to be e g (assistant) leader in such business:
(Except in some cases when Phils is short of such teachers) the foreigner ISN'T allowed to TEACH clients/student,
but IS allowed to INSTRUCT employed Filipino teachers how to teach


(I have forgot where I got that from, I made much research about that subject 2-3 years ago.)

((Back then was my favorite business idea a very much in Phils needed education, but I have more or less skiped it, because Filipinos are to good at copying so if my business would teach students good, then I bet big part of them would start compeeting businesses to mine Iiiiii And they are satisfied with less earning than I, so they can easy beat me in priice, so from mine being a good business a short while, it would soon become not worth continuing. So I will not chose to start that business idea.))

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My interpretion concerning work permits is it's needed for foreign husbands even to assist Filipna wife in her business.
If you have a 13a visa you can work. You can also pay social security and be entitled to a pension when you are 60.
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I'm here on a 9G visa. (Pre-arranged Employment Visa.)
I don't have any sympathy for them.

Anyone that thinks they can just arrive in a foreign country and start working without the correct paperwork is an idiot.

When I first arrived in Manila, my visa wasn't fully approved yet.
My company didn't even allow my into the office until everything was in order.
They just put me up in the Shang-ri La and told me to wait.
After 2 weeks of that I decided to leave for Sydney and told them to let me know when to come back.
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I'm here on a 9G visa. (Pre-arranged Employment Visa.)
I don't have any sympathy for them.

Anyone that thinks they can just arrive in a foreign country and start working without the correct paperwork is an idiot.

When I first arrived in Manila, my visa wasn't fully approved yet.
My company didn't even allow my into the office until everything was in order.
They just put me up in the Shang-ri La and told me to wait.
After 2 weeks of that I decided to leave for Sydney and told them to let me know when to come back.
You can get a short-term temporary work visa to tide you over whilst awaiting the work visa. If applying for a 13a it is advised to get this in the meantime.

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