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Old 13th September 2020, 02:48 AM
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My wife prefers canned, or dried, fish. Easier to prepare. Cleaning fish is messy ha ha
I come from a rural farming area., There having a garden and growing at least some of your own veggies is not only common but something people are proud of. From mid summer to well into fall, we never bought fresh veggies, when my in laws were still active on the farm we had our years supply of potatoes and root veggies, put away in a cold room and buying those was just about unheard of. We also had a separate freezer just for chickens, often we would have 30 or so frozen so a roast chicken on Sundays from the farm was the normal deal. The other freezer had half a pig and lots of frozen berries, tomato etc.

Lots of people hunt and fish, serving a guest a meal completely of your own harvest, from the garden and the lake or forest was something people did as a special occasion. No shame in that, in fact people were proud of the accomplishment.

Here it seams that planting your own veggies, raising your own livestock is a matter of shame, something only poor people will do because they cannot afford store bought. I can see it in the cities where there is no available land but in the provinces, space is available and yet I see lots of yards with space to have a garden not having one or growing non edible plants.

It is like walking someplace, the only reason why people will walk is that they cannot afford the few peso fro a ride. I like to walk about 10 km a day and get lots of looks when I do so.

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Here it seams that planting your own veggies, raising your own livestock is a matter of shame, something only poor people will do because they cannot afford store bought.
Or it depend of lazyness
In Sweden it's the opposite - shame to be lazy - among older than born at the 1990-ties generation. Many of the younger don't want to work, they want to be famous by something NOT hard to do as being in some crazy reality TV or making silly videos posted at youtube

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I can see it in the cities where there is no available land but in the provinces, space is available and yet I see lots of yards with space to have a garden not having one or growing non edible plants.
The Filipina I mensioned, who don't even walk to look, live in city, but in suburb closest to a huge forest/djungle.
They have some space to grow, but they didn't. Finaly they plamted a malunggay tree after I had told them for years. (A cup per day of fresh malunggay leaves covers almost all nutrisions someone related to leader of a prison in Viet-Nam had thought, so that prison started growing much themselves before covid to avoid the malnutrision problem they had before. Scientists in Taiwan say similar but I haven't seen amount told by them.)
Perhaps they found it less tireding to plant it than hearing me repeet it

In Sweden lumber trees are planted almost everythere when the land isn't used for something else so now around 2/3 of Sweden is forest (and in such forest grow much eatable things as e g berries and muchroms.)
While A LOT of rural land in poor Philippines are UNUSED!!! CRAZY - and lazy...
The Philippines has much BETTER growth than cold Sweden, so there can trees be ready for harvesting 2-4 times faster (depening of tree types) than in Sweden, but many Filipinos don't plant anyway!!!

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It is like walking someplace, the only reason why people will walk is that they cannot afford the few peso fro a ride. I like to walk about 10 km a day and get lots of looks when I do so.
My 86 yo mother walk at least 1 km per day just for exersise.
When I tell that to Filipinos they get shocked. One Filipina said she would die if she would try to walk 500 meters


So I still believe there are a lot of wild growing food to be foraged in the Philippines if just walk longer...

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Old 13th September 2020, 11:40 AM
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People live everywhere so any walk to forage will take you onto someone else's patch. My wife's grandfather used to hurt boar etc in the jungle but there's no longer any real jungle anymore. It will be owned by someone.

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People live everywhere so any walk to forage will take you onto someone else's patch. My wife's grandfather used to hurt boar etc in the jungle but there's no longer any real jungle anymore. It will be owned by someone.
At Palawan there are rather much wilderness in the mountains and some other places where no roads go.
Both American and Swedish surviving programs have been recorded there.

And there are kind of abandoned farms by they are so remote so people seldom bother to go there. I know of three such just at Cebu island. (One of them is a partly mango orchard lost by being collateral for unpaid loan and the new owner don't bother about it. And the other two belong to a family where the farmers are to old and the younger generations have moved to cities. They have offered me to buy two of their lands cheap by they don't use them and they are remote one of them very remote.) I suppouse there are some eatable things there.

Although concerning farms not in use by farmers being to old to do the body work themselves and had problem to get farm workers, some of theese farms have become in use again BY COVID make more people become without work >without money > short of food. I know of a family with only one old living there still having several farmlands, which they didn't use more than a tiny part of by they didn't got workers to earlier, but now they have got a bunch. Although still some short. They can't just employ city people by they are to weak/lazy but perhaps some younger move back rural by they are outof work in city. (I don't know of any such moving back, just one who think of doing so.)

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My wife prefers canned, or dried, fish. Easier to prepare. Cleaning fish is messy ha ha
Tim, We have 2 fish vendors that come around so we always have fresh fish but my wife makes them clean them or she won't buy so they take the mess with them when they go. Probably pays a premium price but we always have good fresh fish.

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I'm only interested in decent fillets (hard to get here unless frozen imported) but Ben, occasionally me also eat bony fish and I hate the fight along with the fear of unwittingly swallowing a bone. Ben also eats dried fish and when he is preparing/cooking I sit outside and when we eat I have leftover Sinigang etc. Can't stomach dried fish.
We have Guava, bananas, pumpkin, bamboo shoots, calamansi, mandarin, mangoes, avocados, tomatoes, cucumber, okra, ginger, some stupid plums that are only good to harvest for 2 to 3 weeks, our biggest problem are the goats, not thieves and airsoft has now sorted them out.

We have a vacant block next door, 1640M2 with good soil and grows trees and weeds, the owner (selling, is very accomodating to all) nobody asks if they can use part or all of her land for crops, there is a deep well that needs recommissioning but not expensive for water. The locals come in from the beach and cut wood for their cooking fires,,,,,,,, seems a waste of a resource.

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I come from a rural farming area., There having a garden and growing at least some of your own veggies is not only common but something people are proud of. From mid summer to well into fall, we never bought fresh veggies, when my in laws were still active on the farm we had our years supply of potatoes and root veggies, put away in a cold room and buying those was just about unheard of. We also had a separate freezer just for chickens, often we would have 30 or so frozen so a roast chicken on Sundays from the farm was the normal deal. The other freezer had half a pig and lots of frozen berries, tomato etc.

Lots of people hunt and fish, serving a guest a meal completely of your own harvest, from the garden and the lake or forest was something people did as a special occasion. No shame in that, in fact people were proud of the accomplishment.

Here it seams that planting your own veggies, raising your own livestock is a matter of shame, something only poor people will do because they cannot afford store bought. I can see it in the cities where there is no available land but in the provinces, space is available and yet I see lots of yards with space to have a garden not having one or growing non edible plants.

It is like walking someplace, the only reason why people will walk is that they cannot afford the few peso fro a ride. I like to walk about 10 km a day and get lots of looks when I do so.
I have the same problem Manitoba...I walk every morning, seven days a week, unless it is a heavy downpour, and I usually walk eight to ten kilometers at a minimum just to get some fresh air and exercise...but EVERYDAY, I either get crazy looks like, "why" is that foreigner walking and not driving a car...or else I have tricycle drivers always stopping and ask me if I need a ride...and when people see my wife and I working out in our garden, they look at us as if we are poor and cannot buy food!

It's as if the Filipino people have a mixed up way of viewing things...

Just like the country here...All around the World, people are craving to live in some exotic tropical paradise, wild untamed mountainous jungles, sprawling white sand beaches, palm trees swaying in the breeze, endless turquoise water...and then you come here and the people living here can't wait to get out of here and go live in some dirty inner city!
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It's as if the Filipino people have a mixed up way of viewing things...

Just like the country here...All around the World, people are craving to live in some exotic tropical paradise, wild untamed mountainous jungles, sprawling white sand beaches, palm trees swaying in the breeze, endless turquoise water...and then you come here and the people living here can't wait to get out of here and go live in some dirty inner city!
Or cover it with painted concrete.

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Or cover it with painted concrete.
(Before covid) I did read somewhere the Philippines is the only SE Asian country which need to import rice.
It become worse by big part of house developments are made at good riceland!!!

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It become worse by big part of house developments are made at good riceland!!!
It hasn't been allowed by law for a few years now, but we all know how much notice of the law is taken.

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