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Non-Resident Aliens Who Intend to Work in the Philippines

All foreign nationals seeking admission to the Philippines for the purpose of employment, all non-resident foreign nationals already working in the Philippines, and all non-resident foreign nationals admitted to the Philippines not on-working visas, who wish to work in the Philippines, regardless of the source of compensation and duration of employment are required by the Philippine Department of Labor and Employment (DOLE) to secure an Alien Employment Permit (AEP).

Resident Alien – refers to any foreign national who is allowed by law to reside indefinitely in the Philippines

All foreign nationals seeking admission to the Philippines for the purpose of employment, all non-resident foreign nationals already working in the Philippines, and all non-resident foreign nationals admitted to the Philippines on non-working visas, who wish to work in the Philippines, regardless of the source of compensation and duration of employment are required by the Philippine Department of Labor and Employment (DOLE) to secure an Alien Employment Permit (AEP).

Penalties

Aliens who are found working without an employment permit as required by law, are penalized with a fine ranging from one thousand pesos (P1,000.00) to ten thousand pesos (P10,000), or imprisonment ranging from three months to three years, or both. In addition to such penalties, any alien found guilty shall be summarily deported upon completion of service of sentence.


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As I mentioned earlier in my original post...and this post confirms what I said...this post clearly says foreigners seeking admission in to the Philippines for the purposes of employment...OR non-resident aliens wishing to become employed...or are already employed...

If you came here for purposes other than seeking employment, (such as to retire here or get married,etc., OR if you are a legal permanent Resident Alien, this does not apply! The exact same information that I was given by directly from the DOLE Office when I discussed working at some of my businesses...

The Philippine Government is not trying to keep foreigners from doing any work on their own property or at your home or assisting your spouse with tasks at a privately owned business or even helping a friend or family member with a particular task, voluntary or otherwise.

It only applys to foreigners who actually travel here for the specific purpose of becoming employed by a company and listed as an employee and on that companies payroll...

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The REAL problem with doing any kind of personal work or doing volunteer work to help your spouse or family members or poor people here in the Philippines is not the Philippine Laws...it is all the crazy localized interpretations of those laws! Many of the local Barangay Officials "THINK" they understand and know the laws and will hassle you about something BUT in actuality they have mis-interpreted what the law actually says and they are simply applying their own personal version of what they think the laws says...

That is why I always cut to the chase BEFORE any hassles can arise, and I go speak directly to DOLE or the local Municipality or the Barangay Captain and tell them what I want to do and get their blessing first and then there are NO hassles...plus they think they are a part of your project then and that gives them clout with their local constituents...

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NOT allowed without work permit - and I doubt foreigners would get any for such work.

NO DIFFERENCE if the foreigner get pay or not. It isn't even allowed without work permit to work for FREE even in an aid organisation!

As I understand the law foreigners aren't even allowed to be involved in a foodcart business at all. Or do I missinterpret ?
"RETAIL TRADE ENTERPRISES with paid-up capital of not less than US$ 2,500,000* *(Sec. 5/R.A. 8762) "
8000 pesos is far from that

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A "funny" thing for foreigners (with work permit and can be max 40 percent owner in education business)
Foreigners aren't allowed to teach*
but are allowed to "instruct" teachers how

(*Except when the Philippines is short of a type of teachers as e g foreigners with English as first language.)
Welcome to the forum Lunkan and your contributions.
I like what you say about foreigners working and volunteering here, so now with no hobbies and can't cook or do the dishes, wash the clothes, tend the garden, fix things around the house I can be a man of 100% leisure and gain another 4 Kgs,,,,,,,,, Don't think Ben will be impressed though and I'll probably get slapped if I invoke the law.

As for work permits, once I get bored enough and probably another 4 Kgs I will apply to the PRA for an SRRV and work permit so I can legally participate in a start up endeavour (risk) with the better half for his future. In the mean time the roses are smelling pretty good but I can't seem to shake the 4 to 5 hours a night sleep patten though I am now known to have an hour or two nana nap in the middle of the day with the A.C. and TV on in the bedroom, hot here in the middle of the day, terrible life but I will endure.

Perhaps the SIRV is the way to go if you are looking for a long term commitment.

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"If you came here for purposes other than seeking employment... (about not needing work permit.)"

I don't believe it can be that easy to avoid needing work permit, because then can everyone SAY they didn't come here to work, and then start working


"The Philippine Government is not trying to keep foreigners from doing any work on their own property or at your home or assisting your spouse with tasks at a privately owned business or even helping a friend or family member with a particular task, voluntary or otherwise."
That's two DIFFERENT things, which I believe in ONE of but not the other
because one is HOME - which I suppouse DON'T need work permit
while the other is BUSINESS - which I asume need work permit.

I checked this much a few years ago when I thought of possible business alternatives, so I have forgot where I found some of it, but I saw working volontary for an organisation =no pay demand work permit. which I remember because I found it silly. ,
The following is from a copy of an article, but I have seen same list in a law (which I forgot to copy the name of.) It'smainly about what business types foreigners can OWN part of. but in same it talk about NOT allowed to DO as a foreiger.
PRACTICE of PROFESSIONS* * *1
A: Engineering
• Aeronautical
• Agricultural
• Chemical
• Civil
• Electrical
• Electronics and Communication
• Geodetic*
• Mechanical
• Metallurgical
• Mining
• Naval Architecture and Marine
• Sanitary.
B. Medicine and Allied Professions
• Medicine
• Medical Technology
• Dentistry
• Midwifery
• Nursing
• Nutrition and Dietetics
• *Optometry
• Pharmacy
• Physical and Occupational Therapy
• Radiology and X-Ray Technology
• Veterinary Medicine
C. Accountancy
D. Architecture
E. Criminology
F. Chemistry
G. Customs Brokerage
H. Environmental Planning
I. Forestry
J. Geology
K. Interior Design
L. Landscape Architecture
M. Law
N. Librarianship
O. Marine Deck Officers
P. Marine Engine Officers
Q. Master Plumbing
R. Sugar Technology
S. Social Work
T. Teaching
U. Agriculture
V. Fisheries
3. RETAIL TRADE ENTERPRISES with paid-up capital of not less than US$ 2,500,000* *(Sec. 5/R.A. 8762) *2
4 *COOPERATIVES * ***Ch. III, Art. 26 of R.A. 6938)
5. PRIVATE SECURITY AGENCIES * * (Sec. 4 of R.A. 5487)
6. SMALL SCALE MINING * * (Sec. 3 of R.A. 7076)
(I cut the last part because I guess no one want to work with e g nuclear weapons

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"It only applys to foreigners who actually travel here for the specific purpose of becoming employed by a company and listed as an employee and on that companies payroll..."
I don't believe that's correct, because what I reached concclusion of back when I checked it much - if I made corect conclusion - because TASKS can even be forbidden for foreigners to do SELF - so don't get work permit -
but some of them are allowed for foreigners to OWN part of the BUSINESS, which do such, and foreigners can be some involved in leadiing but NOT allowed to be highest boss in. (Except perhaps in an "export business", I find the law being some fuzzy about that part.)

And see the list in my post close above.

"now with no hobbies and can't cook or do the dishes, wash the clothes, tend the garden, fix things around the house I can be a man of 100% leisure and gain another 4 Kgs"
Well. Some baranggay captains perhaps claim so, but it isn't he who decide work permts
I BELIEVE it's ALLOWED in own HOME.
but can be forbidden or need work permit - depending of task - in a BUSINESS UNDEPENDNG of who own it.

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I can only ask if you sir (Lunken) are ratifying my position to become a totally lazy so and so?
I'm afraid not and my experience here for the last 8 or 9 years has taught me a/many different scenarios that are simply not spelt out in black or white,,,,,,, it's more of a case of suck it and see. While we live well here in our Barangay it may well be different in the next.
Given your expertise on sprouting local and Republican law and obvious cynicism one would ask your experience with boots on the ground and tasting the flavours here to justify such contributions.
Perhaps an introduction as most do is in order?

Cheers, Steve.
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Yes you are right there are huge difference between different baranggays, so I plan to check oppinions about the mayors and say "Hi" to baranggay captains at alternative location places before I decide where to start. It's a problem with the business I plan to start it will be very hard to move after it's started.

I don't have any OWN business boots on the ground in the Philippines (but much elsewhere. Beside own businesses, I have done several business consulting assignments mainly in Sweden both to improve results but also solving organisation crisis. Normaly I charge a percentage of the imporved result. Elsewhere e g in Russia when the wall fell, I did make for a Scandinavian client a software production "Flat" organisation (= Freedom under responcibility. All are involved some in thinking and deciding (details) I did lead it at distance Instead of the Pyramid ordering type they were used to. All experts at Russia said it would be impossible but I did it anyway
Because this was short after Russian citizens were send to Siberia or worse if telling their oppinion, to make the employees dare to tell the boss (=me) I started with saying:
-It's ok to call me idiot as long as you tell why and have a better idea than mine
The best of them stayed long because he liked to sleep late and work late, even years after Motorola had offered him much higher salary than my client had money to, but after some years he switched to Motorola, I believe they offered him three times higher salary but then he had to work office hours


BUT concerning the Philippines - besides all the many Phils laws I have studied - I know rather many business owners there both foreigners and Filipinos. (E g one of my classmates from Elementary school have had a mango farm in Phils since before 1990.)
A bunch of Filipino small business owners and a tribe cooperative I have assisted with improvement ideas and several tell me about their problems and successes.
E g a Filipina friend (with Swedish boyfriend) called me some years ago and was sad because she had lost rather much by giving credit to wrong people. (3 Filipino months salaries back then worth.) She was good at finding opportunities allready, but terrible at judging risks. I adjusted her thinking just a bit by asking her a question to ask herself before chosing clients, plus I gave her a hint how to find much less risk client type. She got it and improved her business result very fast. Before covid the change had made she needed to work only 2-4 days per month except when she start new projects, earning good anyway (Filipino messure.) But covid has stoped most of her projects by most of them are retail related, but some are construction or agricultural.

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"Stupid people don't learn by own misstakes.
Clever people learn by own misstakes.
Wice people learn by other's misstakes."
I try to be wice but on the other hand I like "impossible" challenges too. I have succeeded with some more than the Russian software, mainly within sports, but when I started my first business as 24yo too, tried to make county covering direct. I had crazy low start capital to start that big. but I did it anyway, because a huge possible client demanded that to get a chance to get them as client, (3 months later I had taken that huge client from a national company because I had built an organisation which could deliver much better quality for same price. (Btw I got that business idea by as teenager I were employee in one of the other national competitors, by I noticed I could do it both much better and much cheaper than them


My next "impossible" challenge is to try to build a "Flat" organiced business in the Philippines too. I need to find a bunch of Filipinos, who are clever enough to understand it's better for themselves to take the chance working with freedom under responcibility. I find it to booring and it¨s very ineffective if I will need to be there and check them all the time. (I'm used to in organisations I have made it's enough to make a few random checks and check if total done is good.) I prefer to sit at veranda and think so I hope - after startup checking they have understood their tasks - I just need to check them at end of each day. Plus in general I pay people by how much they get done, not by hours they spend, so I will need to make the employees understand it's much better for themselves to work good. And I need to find empoyees determend enough to want to earn more by geting more done, not lazy ones

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I were to slow (over30 minutes limit) to finnish an edit, so I post that separate;

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In some cases depending of messure concerning calling something success, so unclear if calling all successes, but actualy I have never failed anyway (except if counting Minitest starts. If it's something new so can't learn by others' misstakes I have sometimes made Minitests starts instea of Market research, because similar costs and if it's good then part of thestart is done allready.)
BUT with an important exception. Three of four projects has failed when I haven't had the power majority, because many people are to stupid, think to short ahead or mess up by they believe they can earn better by screwing me. In situations when business partners need me in the future too, then I don't bother to try to cover myself by contracts - excepts rough written - not signed - derals to refer to to refresh memories if needed later. BUT some have been to stupid and thought it would be better for them to take my share too. E g one deal I had was with business owners, who had very interesting contacts but had a big mess in their business. The deal was all standard products were theirs and all special produced were mine, but they would get very good pay to let my products follow in their container imports. Plus I solved theirorganisation problems for free so it was a very good deal for them. But behind my back they did test sales of MY products - which went very good - and they got greedy an tried to take my part too. When I noticed that, I stoped assisting them with THEIR organisation. which ended up with they got big mess again, they tried to run from depts theygot by that and got interpol hunting them by OTHERS had got pissed at them. (I didn't bother to sue them when they got cought because they had no money after they ha screwed up anyway...) I didn't lost any investment but I lost a lot of time and missed incomes by that.

So it "scare" me some I will not have to power majority in the new business in the Philippines (because foreigners can own max 40 %). But for one of the business ideas it suit to spread the other 60 % between A LOT of Filipinos if I can fin enough interested. (That's possible IF I can find enough many who think ahea enough. But it's hard to compeete against scammers because they don't need to fullfil their promises By being that many I suppouse they will get problem to agree many enough to vote me down BUT foreigners can have max 2 of 5 votes in a company board so I will need one more to vote "correct" WITHOUT being a Dummy. So it's risky. The law is fuzzy so I don't know if my Filipina wife can be one of the other 3 in the board. If so I can hope she will vote good

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I think the only business I hope to start once we finally make it back to and retire to Philippines (apparently) in 2021 is "Mind My Own Business" and stay under the radar, while focusing on my health, both physical and mental, while fighting Father Time at by then age 62. I am tempted to pursue some 2 months on/off well paying and tax free gigs I've seen pop up in the Modern locations around the Middle East, but we'll see....always have something to look forward to if I do that, but figure my Asawa will have last call on that one! Happy Wife = Happy Life! Having lived in and worked for an OGA in PI before, I can't imagine wanting to deal with all the roadblocks and headaches there to run Or fund a biz ....would defeat my desire for better health! Cheers everyone!

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I was going to go work out but after reading this I think I will play it safe and just hire a local to lift the weights for me.

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