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Old 12th February 2020, 06:29 AM
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Good and educational input as always Rick. Our road is poured in 2 halves, 2150mm the first pour and a week later another 2150 to finish the road width of 4300mm, narrow if one meets a truck but traversable for every day use with a 200mm drop on either side. While I have not witnessed pinning here in PH. as done in Oz and probably Canada I (though not on the ground ATM) see the boxing methods used with other road construction particularly in Cam Sur where the boxing of the first section poured included a rebate (substantial enough) to tie in the next half of the road and yes in provincial roads I have to agree that I have never seen reo installed, only on bridges and then it is serious. Our expressways to central Luzon appear to work perfectly and have no idea if steal reinforcing is used.

I do drive on the local provincial roads that were installed 10, 20 and 30 years ago with large visible crack but no up or down lifts only cracks that don't bother a vehicle nor motorbike at speed.

Back to the residents I assume in all locations in PH. Make your own way out, that is not our contract, a far cry from western norms.

BTW we are happy to finally get the concrete road but not the cr*p that came with it. As said just as well we have a motor bike to gain daily needs, neighbours are walking 2 kilometres to get a tricycle.

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Hear you Rick with what you contributed but the last pour was 160M long with not one control joint as well as flagrant disregard to the people that are paying for this road and access. Ben tells me that there was a local meeting with the Barangay Capitan last Friday who said he would address the access problem,,,,,,, no different to 3 weeks ago when he said the same thing, but some now very angry residents are or seem to be jumping on him for answers and a resolution. BTW theses long pours will crack and break up over the next 10 years but the contractor by then will be living in Lithuania or Mexico.

Glad to see concrete but it should have been managed properly. 20 years down the track they will pull it out and do it properly,,,,, one hopes.

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Hear you Rick with what you contributed but the last pour was 160M long with not one control joint as well as flagrant disregard to the people that are paying for this road and access. Ben tells me that there was a local meeting with the Barangay Capitan last Friday who said he would address the access problem,,,,,,, no different to 3 weeks ago when he said the same thing, but some now very angry residents are or seem to be jumping on him for answers and a resolution. BTW theses long pours will crack and break up over the next 10 years but the contractor by then will be living in Lithuania or Mexico.

Glad to see concrete but it should have been managed properly. 20 years down the track they will pull it out and do it properly,,,,, one hopes.

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If you are lucky to get a second go it will still be bodged in like last time.

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Around here they are expanding all the one lane each way to two lanes each way.

They never remove/relocate the utility poles that were on the side of the road. Now the second lanes all have a pole down the middle of the lane. Seems real safe, especially at night

Second lanes are now for drying rice/corn and tricycle parking. haha
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Around here they are expanding all the one lane each way to two lanes each way.

They never remove/relocate the utility poles that were on the side of the road. Now the second lanes all have a pole down the middle of the lane. Seems real safe, especially at night

Second lanes are now for drying rice/corn and tricycle parking. haha
Yep, see that here Zep,,,,, that rhymes, perhaps I need to become a poet? not bl**dy likely.
On our main roads over the years I have been watching the residents sink into an unsaleable property while the roads and traffic loom over them yet higher and higher. The steep drive ways tell all especially when a bridge is involved. It appears to be accepted for the greater good of the community. Definitely more fun in the Philippines.

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LOL, more than likely Gary, Sh1t happens especially here as you well know. The finished work/s will be traversable cracks included but at only 4.3 metres wide with an oncoming truck? Doesn't happen often but a possibility. The 200mm (8 inch) drop off the concrete is the worry.

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Hear you Rick with what you contributed but the last pour was 160M long with not one control joint .....
You can always cut a control joint, basically you use a concrete saw to cut a kerf about 5 cm deep and that will force the cracks to occur there. Then the kerf can be sealed to prevent water getting through and weakening the base.

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You can always cut a control joint, basically you use a concrete saw to cut a kerf about 5 cm deep and that will force the cracks to occur there. Then the kerf can be sealed to prevent water getting through and weakening the base.
Yep you heard me absolutely no control with this whole contract,,,,,,, looks like the cheapest price won with flagrant disregard to us, the residents, our local Capitan appears to be chasing his tail with excuses and non occurring promises, welcome to PH.

We poured my workshop here in Oz some 16 years ago, 21M x 18M (the current one). F82 reo and 150 to 160 mm thick with stiffening beams on the perimeter and 3 crossing through the slab. Some hairline cracks recently appeared due to our drought, they are so fine and hard to see. One slab, one pour with Reinforcing done by professionals. I have also been involved i 1 and 2,000 metre square pours years ago (factories) with no probs, One of me mates still rents one, panel beating with no cracks after 10 + years.

Quality and doing the job properly is for first world countries it appears.

Sorry to say we expect quality for the bucks in OZ, probably no different to most western countries,,,,, the local road I am not in control but our reno's will be engineered to stand up to the elements and the test of time.

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