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There are plenty of sedans falling into the P1m bracket. I definitely wouldn't go for a chinese car I've never heard of. Depreciation will likely be tremendous. Have you looked at Toyota Vios?

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There are plenty of sedans falling into the P1m bracket. I definitely wouldn't go for a chinese car I've never heard of. Depreciation will likely be tremendous. Have you looked at Toyota Vios?
Thanks for the concerns Dave and my thoughts too many years ago, no different to things being made in the Philippines in the 50's, 60's and 70's or Taiwan there after and now China but these days for me/us costs come into it as well as creature comforts, comparable known brands with similar features are 500K and upwards compared to this "Chinese" brand that has been around now for 9 plus years.
We have a 2017 1.5 CVT Vios on hire for the last 3 months and while it works well is extremely basic, low quality finish and not very economical for a small car,,,,,, lacks power also.

As said until our house in Oz sells we are watching the budget (fools rush in) but at the same time are used to European cars (Mercedes and Peugeot) and for a tad over 1 million this "Chinese brand" offers most things we are looking for, is brand new, warranty and we will probably keep it for 5 years then dump it.

I am sure if we buy this car and it is a lemon you will be the first to know and I will take the slap "told you so"

Yes long winded but most here are used to me, we looked at a Honda 2018 BR-V Auto yesterday, 3,500 klicks on the clock, hard plastic features, very narrow car, cloth seats and none of the things we were really looking for, price 750K neg. Final price 650K, where are the papers? Apparently the true owner is back in the states and they wanted us to chase him up,,,,,,,,,, walked away shaking my head yet again. Very frustrated trying to buy a secondhand car here and disappointed for what is on offer with "new car reputable brands" with bells and whistles like a European set of wheels. As we spoke about Dave perhaps in a few years we will look at/consider a Wildtrak but after looking at them in Oz and again at the Haima (Chinese knock off brand) dealer (Laus Group) in Rosario was disappointed at the cost for what you didn't get apart from the ego when on the road. We don't need a ute.

The long and short is we get a new car with 3 year warranty, with leatherette seats (not leather) keyless entry, push button, 360 cameras, cruise, sunroof, sensors, full size alloy spare etc etc. Yes I have sold it to myself after copious amounts of research.

BTW not bitching about the Vios but it is just a car and seriously lacks creature comforts.

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Thanks for the concerns Dave and my thoughts too many years ago, no different to things being made in the Philippines in the 50's, 60's and 70's or Taiwan there after and now China but these days for me/us costs come into it as well as creature comforts, comparable known brands with similar features are 500K and upwards compared to this "Chinese" brand that has been around now for 9 plus years.
We have a 2017 1.5 CVT Vios on hire for the last 3 months and while it works well is extremely basic, low quality finish and not very economical for a small car,,,,,, lacks power also.

As said until our house in Oz sells we are watching the budget (fools rush in) but at the same time are used to European cars (Mercedes and Peugeot) and for a tad over 1 million this "Chinese brand" offers most things we are looking for, is brand new, warranty and we will probably keep it for 5 years then dump it.

I am sure if we buy this car and it is a lemon you will be the first to know and I will take the slap "told you so"

Yes long winded but most here are used to me, we looked at a Honda 2018 BR-V Auto yesterday, 3,500 klicks on the clock, hard plastic features, very narrow car, cloth seats and none of the things we were really looking for, price 750K neg. Final price 650K, where are the papers? Apparently the true owner is back in the states and they wanted us to chase him up,,,,,,,,,, walked away shaking my head yet again. Very frustrated trying to buy a secondhand car here and disappointed for what is on offer with "new car reputable brands" with bells and whistles like a European set of wheels. As we spoke about Dave perhaps in a few years we will look at/consider a Wildtrak but after looking at them in Oz and again at the Haima (Chinese knock off brand) dealer (Laus Group) in Rosario was disappointed at the cost for what you didn't get apart from the ego when on the road. We don't need a ute.

The long and short is we get a new car with 3 year warranty, with leatherette seats (not leathder) keyless entry, push button, 360 cameras, cruise, sunroof, sensors, full size alloy spare etc etc. Yes I have sold it to myself after copious amounts of research.

BTW not bitching about the Vios but it is just a car and seriously lacks creature comforts.

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We have hired a vios 3-4 times now, ok car but the 3-speed auto is a bit lacking.
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Thanks Jay, Mogo51 still visits the site and we stay in contact but yes their life is now focused in Oz and they are enjoying themselves.
Back in "paradise" for 5 weeks then back to work in Oz until Christmas and hoping our house sells so we can move on.
How are your relocation plans going?

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Thanks Steve...plans coming along and still shooting for a move next Spring if possible. Will resume some work here in meantime as out of pocket here for son's therapy is painful (Up to $2K per month) , but great improvement for him in the 1 yr since started. Like you in Oz, lots to maintain with our house as up on a mountain with old growth conifers on 2 sides and lots of wind off the lake, and cutting some grass, etc. Hope to finish up a major master bed/bath remodel by Sept and list for rent-furnished by the New Year...will put the antiques and heirlooms in storage though. Anyway, hope to meet a lot of forum members once there and get to know some folks. Enjoy reading the car thread you have going here, as that will be on our list as well once settled...that Chinese SUV looks lot like our KIA Sorento here. Be interested to see your thoughts after a year of ownership if you go that route. Warm Regards, JC

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Thanks Steve...plans coming along and still shooting for a move next Spring if possible. Will resume some work here in meantime as out of pocket here for son's therapy is painful (Up to $2K per month) , but great improvement for him in the 1 yr since started. Like you in Oz, lots to maintain with our house as up on a mountain with old growth conifers on 2 sides and lots of wind off the lake, and cutting some grass, etc. Hope to finish up a major master bed/bath remodel by Sept and list for rent-furnished by the New Year...will put the antiques and heirlooms in storage though. Anyway, hope to meet a lot of forum members once there and get to know some folks. Enjoy reading the car thread you have going here, as that will be on our list as well once settled...that Chinese SUV looks lot like our KIA Sorento here. Be interested to see your thoughts after a year of ownership if you go that route. Warm Regards, JC
Kia and Hyundai are pretty popular here as well.

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Agree Dave, both makes have come a long way in the last 10 years whether made in Korea, Thailand or even China. I remember when Australia had big automotive manufacturing companies and the likes of Nissan, Mitsubishi and Toyota were frowned down upon 40 years ago, a little like Hyundai 20 years ago and Kia 10 years ago, well look at all those conglomerates now, world leaders and Australia now manufactures nothing, First world country with high wages and expectations sliding sideways, hey only my opinion.

We purchased the S5 yesterday after a long test drive and though not up to par with our Merc or Peugeot (sold now in Oz) leaves other brands here for dead as they have followed a European design and feel, but as said if it comes back and bites me I will surely follow up,,,,, as I do.

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Thanks Steve...plans coming along and still shooting for a move next Spring if possible. Will resume some work here in meantime as out of pocket here for son's therapy is painful (Up to $2K per month) , but great improvement for him in the 1 yr since started. Like you in Oz, lots to maintain with our house as up on a mountain with old growth conifers on 2 sides and lots of wind off the lake, and cutting some grass, etc. Hope to finish up a major master bed/bath remodel by Sept and list for rent-furnished by the New Year...will put the antiques and heirlooms in storage though. Anyway, hope to meet a lot of forum members once there and get to know some folks. Enjoy reading the car thread you have going here, as that will be on our list as well once settled...that Chinese SUV looks lot like our KIA Sorento here. Be interested to see your thoughts after a year of ownership if you go that route. Warm Regards, JC
Sounds good Jay and good to hear your young bloke is doing well. Yes property maintenance, the bane of my life as we have 2 to worry about now, Once the house in Oz sells I will breathe a lot easier, most ties cut there then and move on.

We looked at the Sorento and the Tuscon but were very lack lustre for a considerable extra expense, we,,,,, Me wanted up market at a bargain price which is what we did/got and as I said to Dave may bite me one day.

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Dave, Yeah, I really wish we Could bring our Kia there as we bought it new just last yr thinking this was going to be permanent gig and I always figure 0% interest is using someone else's money, although the Cash price was $2k less. Only has 17K mi on it 19 months in as bought it to keep till it dies....Ouch.

Steve, I figure each country version of Kia must be different, as ours at least has all the bells and whistles we could ask for...leather, blind spot monitoring, 3 drive settings w/ AWD, on demand 4WD, heated seats (wouldn't need That over there!) multi zone A/C. Just no glass roof or collision avoidance. We tested against the Toy Highlander and Honda Pilot, though mostly the 100K mi drive train and 60k miles bumper to bumper warranties sold us, along with free oil changes for life, which others weren't close. But agree does not drive like some of the Euro brands. Now I just need figure out what to do with it And the wife's Nissan LEAF before we leave...thought about selling one and leaving other with daughter in Seattle to use in case we give up and turn tail back home in a few years, but figure we are in for at least a 5 yr run minimum there and perhaps for good; so, sort of defeats the purpose other than I'd have "my car" when I return here for few weeks 2x per yr. Either way gonna lose some $ in the deal.

As for PI, Saving/Investing a Lot of $ per month And doing some bucket list traveling while having family to help with kiddo, and still living very well is a huge attraction. He seems happy when we talk to him about going there as he knows the family there and their names...at least Says he wants to go. Gonna be a lot of pros and cons to weigh out over time. Hopefully I won't need to learn to speak Chinese! Have a good one.
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Agree Jay, wish we could have at least shipped the Peugeot over, great car, wagon as well that are not available here, personally better than the SL we had and more practical than a 2 door, Right hand drive is a no no here and yes we lost plenty of cash off loading it,,,,, same with the Merc. Perhaps you are right with the appointments and finish on the Kia models available in the States, here we weren't impressed with not only Kia but all makes we looked at though all still a very good cars but lacking the creature comforts and the refinements we were looking for especially in the one million peso range, a bonus were the electric seats (advertised as manual adjustment) and the 360 cameras work a treat, turn on when you indicate to turn, like your blind spot monitoring on screen, retractable wing mirrors, full size alloy spare instead of run flat like most these days, soft touch materials instead of hard plastics etc. 3 years rego, free tinting to our requirements, a lot of car for the pesos. The only downside is the two and a half hour drive to get it serviced @ 5,000 kms which we negated to 10,000 kms by using synthetic oil, they were happy and I don't mind paying the extra to save a trip and wasted time.

For those that may be interested we did look at the M3 (Haima) and at 600K the Vios though a little more expensive would be my/a wiser choice. Disappointed but they are looking to a budget minded Filipino. What I am going to miss is my land cruiser ute when I eventually/finally/fingers crossed, make the total break after Christmas providing the house sells.
This is only my take on available cars here in PH. and While yes a Chinese brand meets our needs and budget at this point in time, secondhand cars are well over priced compared to new and carry no warranty unless residual from the manufacturer and who knows where that lies as the second or third owner, it is the Philippines after all.
Slap me please if my appraisal is up sh*t creek.

Bye the Bye Jay though, and I can't remember where (area) you are moving to but when you make it back we would love to catch up and chew the fat.

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A follow up on the car we purchased, all good as expected. The interesting thing is that after all the stuff I've read about getting ORCO's and plates and the delays to acquire, ours arrived yesterday, plates and original paperwork so only 13 days after taking delivery, great for us as we have to go to Manila next week and now know what day we can't. I did ask the sales manager about all the delays in the past and as most know there were problems I think with the manufacturer and customs? Well that's what I heard, now the new plates are being made by inmates in the penal system here.
Ben brought a new motorbike over 3 months ago and only received the ORCO this week and yep still no plates.

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