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Old 7th July 2019, 02:02 AM
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I didn't realize how low the price on some of these cars were... But the Wigo is a nice looking car. I think the suspension would go through allot of torture but if I had to pick between one of those 3 wheeled units at half the price and the Wigo I'd pick the Wigo.
I would take one over a surplus multi cab as well, larger engine and better safety as well. Less cargo/transport space but a Wigo would be OK as a run about. That might be an advantage as I once had about 15 family members crowd into a multi cab. Just about flattened the tires, standing room only in the box of the truck and piled two deep on the seats. It was top heavy and I was very concerned about tipping or breaking suspension.
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Steve, what are some of the scams they're trying to pull there with used cars nowadays? The last Honda I bought was right around Typhoon Ondoy back in 2009 and luckily the one I ended up buying I had inspected right before the typhoon hit and I ended up buying it just a few days later after checking for flood damage. I happened to go by that lot a week or two later and there were dozens of cars all being "aired out" after having been flooded.
As Gary said, tampering with the speedo is one, have looked at a couple of cars with "supposedly" , one 24K and the other 40K on the clock, very easy to tell by the seat and steering wheel wear that they had been around the block a few more times than that.
And yes electronic odometer.

Cars advertised cheaply to get you in, sorry sir that has sold but I have these.
Incorrect advertising: All papers good etc: Advertised in our area but on enquiry are in Manila and further afield: Sellers not replying to enquiries after weeks but continue to advertise: Most do not have service history even at 2 or 3 years old: And I could go on.

The most frustrating thing I have found is the lack of information in the advertisement so you have to try to contact them to glean further info and as said rarely a response. Time wasters.
Second hand car dealers want top dollars for mostly rubbish.
As said We will look at new now.

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Welcome back to Paradise (and the sometimes nightmare) Steve. Hope all goes well. Good thread and looking forward to more replies/advice, as well as hearing how your vehicle search plays out, as I've lot to learn and learning from all as I go. Sorry to hear Mogo left, as he seemed a great source of info at times as well. Far as driving there, I'll never forget my first month there living in 90's and a friend lent me his imported Jeep Wrangler rag top while he was back to US for a month and I was waiting for my car to arrive. First week, backing out of a place in Baretto outside Subic, in my own lane mind you, Jeepney took off the rear corner of the jeep passing everyone running down the road. Stupid me then stops thinking, hey! it's an accident...almost everyone in US stops, cops are called, insurance, etc. Of course, he just kept on a truckin' up the road. Luckily was able to get repairs done reasonably and looked brand new, which I only did after owner friend said to. Anyway, if I'd been in a multi, I'd have been toast I'm pretty sure. Never had another accident after that over several years. Learned real quick the "rules of the road".....There are none! Before I had arrived there, we had couple Agents killed by a Victory Liner running down the road passing everyone and hit them head on in their little subcompact, literally took top of the car and their heads off. So, stay safe and vigilant! Good luck on the car search.
Thanks Jay, Mogo51 still visits the site and we stay in contact but yes their life is now focused in Oz and they are enjoying themselves.
Back in "paradise" for 5 weeks then back to work in Oz until Christmas and hoping our house sells so we can move on.
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As Gary said, tampering with the speedo is one,.....
Second hand car dealers want top dollars for mostly rubbish.
As said We will look at new now.

Cheers, Steve.

The used car market here is a lot like what existed in Canada and the USA in the 50's and 60's.

Lots of unsafe junk with shady histories and background. Extreme situation of buyer beware.


I will only buy either new or certified used from a large dealer. I might make an exception for a low cost used from someone I know and trust very well but would most likely stick to a dealer. However I am at least 2 and a half to 4 years away from being in a position to need to buy a vehicle, I may not at all depending where I land permanently.
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Toyota has a certified used car program here. It is newer used vehicles so might be more than the target but at least you have an established company selling it, not some guy with a hand lettered sign.

New Wigo start at just under 560k p. Not much car for not much money, low power and low ground clearance. Three cylinder engine and only 14 in wheels. Would be OK in a town or place with OK roads and not many hills.

Not sure what the other companies offer, I would expect similar offerings from Nissan, Honda et al.

When I am ready to buy here it will most likely be Toyota because of good past expedience with them and lots of dealers around.
You are probably right Rick, I was being a tight a*se wanting a cheap run around for Ben especially as the rainy season is coming and currently we have a nice little 1.5 vios that we hire for 30K per month but if we keep that onboard for the next 7 or 8 months that's a decent chunk to go towards buying.
Originally we were going to buy a Ford wild track once we were permanently living here but I am concerned with the size and the parking skills of my better half as well as the regular visits to the family who reside on a very narrow and busy road, it's bad enough parking the Toyota there let alone something that is a foot wider. Also I considered a ute essential for our building project but have since realised that most things here can be delivered at minimal or no cost.

The Wigo is too small for us, the Vios is fine but a Carola probably better,,,,,,,, very expensive for what you get.
At the end of the day reliability is paramount and for that we will have to pay. We had a look (through the Windows) yesterday at the Haima dealership in Rosario (La Union) on the way back from Manila. Cars look good as do the prices, a little research last night so we will probably head back down in the next day or to and have a look, will keep you posted.

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You are probably right Rick, I was being a tight a*se wanting a cheap run around for Ben especially as the rainy season is coming and currently we have a nice little 1.5 vios that we hire for 30K per month but if we keep that onboard for the next 7 or 8 months that's a decent chunk to go towards buying.
Originally we were going to buy a Ford wild track once we were permanently living here but I am concerned with the size and the parking skills of my better half as well as the regular visits to the family who reside on a very narrow and busy road, it's bad enough parking the Toyota there let alone something that is a foot wider. Also I considered a ute essential for our building project but have since realised that most things here can be delivered at minimal or no cost.

The Wigo is too small for us, the Vios is fine but a Carola probably better,,,,,,,, very expensive for what you get.
At the end of the day reliability is paramount and for that we will have to pay. We had a look (through the Windows) yesterday at the Haima dealership in Rosario (La Union) on the way back from Manila. Cars look good as do the prices, a little research last night so we will probably head back down in the next day or to and have a look, will keep you posted.

Cheers, Steve.

Truck you are right on Steve and I feel the best form of transportation here due to the road conditions so this thread is interesting and in 5 years I'll be eligible for Social Security. I've already experienced owning a car, never again, so I'll be looking at trucks also plus so much more room in the back for hauling stuff even better.

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Truck you are right on Steve and I feel the best form of transportation here due to the road conditions so this thread is interesting and in 5 years I'll be eligible for Social Security. I've already experienced owning a car, never again, so I'll be looking at trucks also plus so much more room in the back for hauling stuff even better.
All good Mark and I agree but now for us I realise we probably don't need to haul anything, we were looking at the Wildtrak because it was AU16K plus cheaper here than in Oz but on reflection would be unnecessary and more difficult to park, service/rego and insurance most likely more expensive and to be truthful I have probably put my ego on hold and become more of a realist. A comfortable set of wheels to get from A to B reliably and one hopes safely.
We were going to buy 2 bikes, one is enough for either Ben or myself to nip to the wet market or night market to get what we need or if we both go we simply take the car.
All the neighbours have Everests and the like and I wonder why as they rarely go anywhere and only 2 people but hey they probably don't have to think about dollars and sense.
Thank God we are all different and can exchange points of view.
Only my observation but whether bus/truck/SUV/Wigo or motorcycle it does seem to work here regardless and I as you know would work even better if people followed the road laws.

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The Wigo is too small for us, the Vios is fine but a Carola probably better,...
Corolla and Hi-lux start around the same range.

I'm leaning to a Hi Lux when I buy, good ground clearance and some cargo capability and I am a truck guy anyway.

I like that it has limited seating, I'll make it a rule that no more people than seat belts and no riding in the box. (good luck enforcing but I'll try.)
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Corolla and Hi-lux start around the same range.

I'm leaning to a Hi Lux when I buy, good ground clearance and some cargo capability and I am a truck guy anyway.

I like that it has limited seating, I'll make it a rule that no more people than seat belts and no riding in the box. (good luck enforcing but I'll try.)
Good luck with the seating arrangements Rick, Doh, I have told Ben many times that the car is for 5 people, 2 days before I returned Ben picked up his Brother, sister in law and 5 kids from Bacnotan terminal,,,,,,,,,,,,, so 8 in a Vios. Very naughty and I keep telling him that if there is an accident there will be carnage and I won't bail him out of jail,,,,,,, doesn't appear to sink in as that wasn't the first time. Filipino "Ben's mentality" saving money.
I too am a truck guy owning many tag axle coaches, film trucks and the like and still have my last faithful land cruiser ute in Oz as my last set of wheels there, here? Not needed as I will be retiring and won't go bush or put a ton in a ute.
While utilities/commercial type don't attract taxes for me I wonder about practicalities and then some but hey that's where I'm at at the moment, as said thank God we are all different and can throw extra cogs into the works.

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I can certainly recommend the Ford Ranger Widtrak. I bought mine from a main dealer in Manila and drove it down to Davao. It's a beast, super powerful, comfortable on long journeys and so far 100% reliable, apart from a dodgy battery that the dealerl in Davao replaced under warranty. Servicing is not too bad. Every 6 months at about P10k per service, my wife Chevrolet compact costs just about the same. I hear what you say about being large for parking etc, but the upside is, being 4x4 with high ground clearance you can park almost anywhere, bump over rough spots, kerbs etc. Its also a great adventure vehicle for weekend getaways with the family and dogs.

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