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Old 23rd April 2018, 02:53 AM
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This morning I happened to be sitting on the throne doing my business when suddenly my sister-in-law started running around the compound shouting that her house was on fire.

To make a long story short I went outside and found that a light fixture on her porch was indeed smoldering, and that the plastic body of the light fixture was beginning to catch on fire. I went inside her house and shut off her main breaker, (didn't trip on its own) and went back outside to find that the light fixture had melted off the side of her house, and was now dangling from the melted wires, but the smoke and fire had stopped.

After looking at everything, it seems to me that the mounting screw for the light fixture must have somehow disturbed or penetrated the plastic electrical tape, and as the years passed, the tape then became lose enough for a short between the tire wires, or maybe a short between the hot wire and the metal box which is encased in concrete.

One of the helpers went inside her attic and he said that the insulation is melted off the wiring all the way back to a plastic junction box. So, if no one had been home, then there is a good chance that house could have gone up in complete flames.

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I've said it before, if you want to find the breaker in a Philippine house or building just follow the soot stain on the ceiling.
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The problem over here is that the circuit breakers are a complete joke, and most of them won't kick off even if a complete dead short occurs.

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We were putting up a water tower which involved a lot of welding. The main line to the lot kept coming apart. I counted 4 twisted joints in about 10 mtres of overhead cable. the joint would get hot and the tape melt, and this was with not much more than a hobby welder.
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Electrical is a joke in the Philippines. While living in Tagum City I had a instant water heater installed in shower. The guy ran the wire up in attic and spliced to the main cable coming into the house. I told him that was wrong. He should have ran it to breaker box and hooked to the empty breaker. He said oh no I never do that. So when I took shower and turned up the knob for hotter water it would blow the main breaker to the house. I had to wait for the cable to cool down before I could turn main breaker back on. I am a building contractor and I knew what he did was wrong and I just let it go. Stupid of me letting him get by with such work.

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Electrical is a joke in the Philippines. While living in Tagum City I had a instant water heater installed in shower. The guy ran the wire up in attic and spliced to the main cable coming into the house. I told him that was wrong. He should have ran it to breaker box and hooked to the empty breaker. He said oh no I never do that. So when I took shower and turned up the knob for hotter water it would blow the main breaker to the house. I had to wait for the cable to cool down before I could turn main breaker back on. I am a building contractor and I knew what he did was wrong and I just let it go. Stupid of me letting him get by with such work.

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I've also learned the hard way to be very very careful about hiring people to do electrical work, and or to mix concrete. I wasn't particularly good at either one of these tasks before, but now since I'm living over here I'd rather take everything slow and carefully and do the job on my own.

Upon closer inspection it appears that the electrician who wired up my in-laws house places the light switches on the neutral side of the circuit, so that there was always hot current at the light fixture even when the switch was turned off. What possible reason would someone have for doing this? I don't know, and it just seems so unnecessarily dangerous, but that is the way all of the light switches seem to be wired over at my in-laws. Strange.
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Upon closer inspection it appears that the electrician who wired up my in-laws house places the light switches on the neutral side of the circuit, so that there was always hot current at the light fixture even when the switch was turned off. What possible reason would someone have for doing this? I don't know, and it just seems so unnecessarily dangerous, but that is the way all of the light switches seem to be wired over at my in-laws. Strange.
Its possible he wired them correctly but the main wires to the house were subsequently reversed. Or maybe he did it wrong
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So I'll be bringing some RCD's or ELCB's (will ask my sparky) when we ship our lot there, also have to find an electrician that is up to speed on earthing and all things safe in PH. ,,,,,,,,, The mind boggles with what I have read here. Good words of warning Maxx.

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So I'll be bringing some RCD's or ELCB's (will ask my sparky) when we ship our lot there, also have to find an electrician that is up to speed on earthing and all things safe in PH. ,,,,,,,,, The mind boggles with what I have read here. Good words of warning Maxx.

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You can bring as many RCB as you like you won't anyone who has a clue what they are. Our house plus the store and two SIl houses are all wired with UK fittings and consumer units. We have a board with half a dozen RCBs but the SILs have a small unit for sheds/garages etc with just a RCB for the sockets and another for the lights. A bulb blow in our house and we had a call to the UK asking me about the problem, they couldn't understand why the all of the light had gone out but the sockets still worked, I guess I was lucky they asked before cross wiring to get the lights working. Once they had reset the RCB all was well.

One of the BILs also wanted one of these small consumer unit fitted so I put one in the box next time we sent a BB. It arrived but no one knew how to connect it up. I mean it had all of four connections. The local electrician didn't know, the engineer from the electricity company didn't know and it sat there for a year until we next went there.

The meter reader also accussed us of stealing electricty when he saw the earth wire and earthing rod outside the house, he thought it was a jumper.
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So I'll be bringing some RCD's or ELCB's (will ask my sparky) when we ship our lot there, also have to find an electrician that is up to speed on earthing and all things safe in PH. ,,,,,,,,, The mind boggles with what I have read here. Good words of warning Maxx.

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I bought my grounding rods/clamps at Topwood years ago. They sell proper length, size copper in Earth grounding rods and clamps. Citi Hardware near you may have them.

Thunderbird and many of the Foreign Managed Owned Resorts in our area are properly grounded and use electricians who know how to properly install grounded set ups. I'd refer mine but no way he'll travel to your area for work as he is too busy with all that is going on near where I am. Some items are available at National Bazar or CSI but I typically bought all my GFCI & other grounded outlets at Wilcon in Angeles City. Was a great excuse to do a bar run.

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