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Old 13th October 2014, 01:57 PM
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Dear all,

I am currently in a processus for moving from France to Shanghai under - a priori - an expat package contract. I am working for a luxury fashion group (very known...), working in headoffice as IT Project Manager for CRM and Retail topics, with 5+ years of experience. Of course fluent in English and no Mandarin at all. The position they offer me is very similar, with a high flexibility request to be able to move sometimes in Japan, Singapor, Australia, i.e. whole Asia-Pacific.

--> My question is easy: what should I expect in term of salary, package benefits, etc. ?

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Dear all,

I am currently in a processus for moving from France to Shanghai under - a priori - an expat package contract. I am working for a luxury fashion group (very known...), working in headoffice as IT Project Manager for CRM and Retail topics, with 5+ years of experience. Of course fluent in English and no Mandarin at all. The position they offer me is very similar, with a high flexibility request to be able to move sometimes in Japan, Singapor, Australia, i.e. whole Asia-Pacific.

--> My question is easy: what should I expect in term of salary, package benefits, etc. ?

Best regards!
Bonjour!

I'm French too, living in China.

In term of salary, I would say your actually salary +25 to 50% increase (depending of the benefits they are offering to you).

In my opinion, and according to your experience, your Package benefits should include:

MUST HAVE:
- Health insurance to cover you + your family
- Apartment rental (or at least a flat allowance equal to 75% of the rental fee)
- School fees if you have kids (very expensive here in China)

OPTIONAL:
- 1 moving allowance to send your goods back to France the day you are leaving China
- 1 Air ticket roundtrip / year to France (for all your family) for your holidays
- Mandarin courses for you and your wife on arrival ( to have some oral bases)
- 1 maid to take care of your kids 1 or 2 days / week
- 1 driver for you if you working place is far way from your home

Feel free to contact me if you need some other advices.

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Bonjour!

I'm French too, living in China.

In term of salary, I would say your actually salary +25 to 50% increase (depending of the benefits they are offering to you).

In my opinion, and according to your experience, your Package benefits should include:

MUST HAVE:
- Health insurance to cover you + your family
- Apartment rental (or at least a flat allowance equal to 75% of the rental fee)
- School fees if you have kids (very expensive here in China)

OPTIONAL:
- 1 moving allowance to send your goods back to France the day you are leaving China
- 1 Air ticket roundtrip / year to France (for all your family) for your holidays
- Mandarin courses for you and your wife on arrival ( to have some oral bases)
- 1 maid to take care of your kids 1 or 2 days / week
- 1 driver for you if you working place is far way from your home

Feel free to contact me if you need some other advices.

Vincent.
Hi Vincent,

Thank you for your reply.

Actually I am single and very flexible regarding travels I will have to do ; I think it is also a chance to ask more in term of salary, etc. You told me I could ask a 25-50% salary increase, it's strange because most of people say that I should expect the same salary or even less than my current one.. So good news

Never thought about the moving allowance, thanks for the suggestion!

For apartment rental, what should I expect for a 1 or 2 bedroom flat in the city center (modern, clean, chic if possible and with concierge) ?

Best regards,

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For salary, actually, maybe they won't propose you any increase but for sure living overseas will increase your living cost. It's the good time to negotiate with them. (And like all negotiation, you need to ask high increase (like 50%) if you want to have medium one (20-25%)

Yes moving allowance is important because it's cost between 2K and 4-5K EUR depending on how many items you have to ship (this is the industry I'm working in)

Last point for rental cost, I'm based in South China so I don't know the market in Shanghai but here, a nice 1-2bedroom flat is around 7K to 10K RMB (+ deposit + real estate agent commission). There are lots of furnished apartments in China, not like in France.
It's better for you to check this point on the famous French website " Bonjour Chine "

Vincent.

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For salary, actually, maybe they won't propose you any increase but for sure living overseas will increase your living cost. It's the good time to negotiate with them. (And like all negotiation, you need to ask high increase (like 50%) if you want to have medium one (20-25%)

Yes moving allowance is important because it's cost between 2K and 4-5K EUR depending on how many items you have to ship (this is the industry I'm working in)

Last point for rental cost, I'm based in South China so I don't know the market in Shanghai but here, a nice 1-2bedroom flat is around 7K to 10K RMB (+ deposit + real estate agent commission). There are lots of furnished apartments in China, not like in France.
It's better for you to check this point on the famous French website " Bonjour Chine "

Vincent.
Oh yeah I didn't know that website ! Cool.

They highlight many agencies (shanghailanelife.net, doozyproperty.com, ...) which offer to assist in the first arrival days, can be also something to consider if the company doesn't any specific help to provide.

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If you are bound for Shanghai then be warned the air is polluted for most of the year, likewise Beijing. Many companies are offering expats more money to work there because of the bad air. This factor should help you with your salary negotiations.

Also the traffic in Shanghai is horrendous during the rush hours so try to find an appartment near work if at all possible. Housing in Shanghai is among the most expensive in China.

I lived there for 3 years in a pigeon hut for a room.
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If you are bound for Shanghai then be warned the air is polluted for most of the year, likewise Beijing. Many companies are offering expats more money to work there because of the bad air. This factor should help you with your salary negotiations.
Yes Eric is right.
Companies like Hitachi or Coca Cola or offering up to 15% of extra salary as "pollution risk allowance"

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Yes Eric is right.
Companies like Hitachi or Coca Cola or offering up to 15% of extra salary as "pollution risk allowance"
I lived there long before the pollution so missed out on the extra dosh, But I had to turn down five appartments before they forced me to take a place I hated.

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If you are bound for Shanghai then be warned the air is polluted for most of the year, likewise Beijing. Many companies are offering expats more money to work there because of the bad air. This factor should help you with your salary negotiations.

Also the traffic in Shanghai is horrendous during the rush hours so try to find an appartment near work if at all possible. Housing in Shanghai is among the most expensive in China.

I lived there for 3 years in a pigeon hut for a room.
Ok I see ; I plan to put more or less 10.000CNY / month in the housing, so I believe I can have something cosy and fully renovated (if not new) in Puxi.
Regarding negociation my company is not so used to transfer foreigners, especially the local HR (while Hong-Kong HR is much much more used) so I don't think I will speak them about a "pollution allowance" But OK I understand the idea.


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Ok I see ; I plan to put more or less 10.000CNY / month in the housing, so I believe I can have something cosy and fully renovated (if not new) in Puxi.
Regarding negociation my company is not so used to transfer foreigners, especially the local HR (while Hong-Kong HR is much much more used) so I don't think I will speak them about a "pollution allowance" But OK I understand the idea.
Do not let them choose an appartment or condo for you, arrive first and stay in a hotel so you can look at appartments yourself. The Chinese do not understand an expats choice in housing. And the place must have security guards, they are called Boan in Chinese, this is required and the PSB will need to see the appartment before you move in so they can approve the place.

You must register with the local police on arrival.

HR do not know what they are doing when it comes to making the work permit etc and medical so expect to be messed about a tad. I have been here 20 years so I now tell them what to do each time I take a new job.

Each district has different rules, where I am now I had to fit an alarm system to keep the PSB happy, only cost 2k RMB and company paid for it.


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