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Sarah_Yorke_82 28th February 2011 11:17 AM

New Zealand OR Australia??? Please Help!!
 
Hi everyone! I'm new to this..
I have been reading many threads on
Here, and I have to say they have been a huge help and provide some fantastic info!

My husband and I (33 and 28) are keen to emigrate - house is for sale already! Family and friends informed... Children happy! (2 girls aged 2 and 9) The thing is.. I'm not 100% as to which country to
Go to!?

My husband is an Electrician therefore either destination would be an option. (my husband favours NZ) I am a marketing manager - sales, therefore can probably find work anywhere? I however feel OZ would have more potential? More opportunity?

Does NZ have enough "opportunity" for work?

Will our children enjoy growing up in NZ? Is there enough for them to do?

Are the people friendly?

Having never been - I have limited info
On NZ - other than what's found on the Internet!

If NZ we would look to go to the Auckland Region.. If Australia we would look to
Go to Melbourne...

Apologies for the long message.. However as much help/info/advise on this would be greatly appreciated!!

Many thanks!!!

Sarah x

anski 28th February 2011 09:50 PM

Hi Sarah,
This is a hard one, we migrated to Australia in 1967 whilst in our early 20's & childless. We settled in Sydney & it was very difficult at first & had two children within 3 years of arrival & I worked most of my life there. However at the end of the day we owned 2 houses in Sydney & it was a wonderful place to bring children up for climate, lifestyle, opportunities & a safe environment. On return visits to UK all I can say I am pleased we made the decision to leave & my son hates the UK (based on holidays back there). He now has a business in Brisbane.


I think for young people today Australia & New Zealand both offer a better quality of life by comparison to the UK. Weather is important & my children grew up enjoying safety, space & fresh air & my grandchildren are dong the same today. whereas from what I see of UK is yes you can get budget & low cost travel & Europe is on your doorstep & the supermarkets do have more convenience foods & perhaps more choices if you are into shopping. It depends what you want out of life your children watching tv because it's too cold to go out & play or being able to grow up with a healthy outdoor lifestyle. The weather in the UK depresses me & I find I miss the fresh air & blue skies & sunshine of Australia or New Zealand.

Melbourne I don't care for can be wet & miserable in winter (although short) & hot in summer.

Sydney is a prettier city with lovely harbour dotted with restaurants & the Rocks area lovely to walk around.The Blue Mountains are to the west & north you have the Hunter Valley so lots of places for weekend trips not all that far from town (2 hours drive)

Brisbane also a lovely & fast developing city & sandwiched between The Gold Coast & The Sunshine Coast& the Hinterland. Tradesmen always in demand because of the ever growing population (& many Kiwi's heading over in past few years). Also because of recent floods in Queensland electricians are very sought after.

Another Australian city I love is Perth but only trouble is it is very isolated from other cities the Nullabor dessert approx 2,000km separates it from South Australia.


As for New Zealand I moved to Auckland in 2001 & enjoyed my 8 years there living in Mission Bay 7km from the CBD. As a city it has everything Universities, Hospitals, Good schools, open space & within a hour's drive or less you are in the countryside, also has the best employment opportunities in NZ.
We have been living in Europe for the last 18 months but heading back to NZ in September however this time we are going to live in Hawke's Bay as we are retired now.

One thing to consider when making a move is to select a place where your children will remain if they are going on to further education & for job opportunities or you risk them leaving for elsewhere.
If you can go for a look first it is better but even so it is really hard to make lifelong decisions based on a couple of weeks.

Many migrants make the move from NZ to Australia after some time thinking it would be better but it is not always the case. Sometimes the wages may appear to be higher in Australia compared to NZ but cost of living in Sydney is more expensive than Auckland. Also Stamp Duty is payable on house or car purchases in Australia it does not apply to NZ. That also makes a big difference when starting out.


At the end of the day I think you would find a lot of benefits in moving to either country if looking for a better quality of life for yourselves & your children. However if shopping & holidays abroad & being close to family & friends in the UK are things that are important to you then I advise you to remain in the UK & merely holiday in Australia or New Zealand instead.

cheers,

Ann

I never for a moment regret the day I made the decision to leave the UK 44 years ago.

jenswaters 1st March 2011 05:48 AM

This is a GREAT post!!! Thank you so much for the comparison. Most of us have only been in one or the other, and many people see just negatives for one or the other.

All of this advice is great

Sarah_Yorke_82 1st March 2011 09:13 PM

Firstly Ann I would just like to thank you for taking the time to write such an informative helpful thread! It was truly touching and very much appreciated!...

You sound like you have tried it all!!... Both Auckland and Australia sound amazing! Thinking about what you said re the children settling and having everything around them - perhaps Oz is the better option?!...

As Oz is so big - there are lots of options/places to visit!

You don't reccommend Melbourne then?

Is Brisbane much better for weather? Sydney?

Perth sounds lovely however as you said you are divided by desert and this obviously makes it hard to get around so I
Don't think we will chose Perth!

You really have been so helpful Ann! Thanks again!!!

Sarah

Sarah_Yorke_82 1st March 2011 09:15 PM

Ps and to see that you too were in your 20's is great! How did you handle leaving your family and friends!? How long would you say it takes to "settle" in?!

Thanks Ann!

anski 1st March 2011 10:20 PM

Hi Sarah,

Firstly I came across this Blog today which is excellent & I wish someone would do a similar one on New Zealand to help people like yourselves with advice.If you go through the different topic there are price comparison with UK & also guide to different States in Australia. It should answer a lot of questions.
Moving to Australia? Where are you going to live?

In my case my parents migrated to South Africa when I was 9 & I met my husband there whose parents had also migrated at a very young age. Because in those days (1960's) the writing was already on the wall that the apartheid situation in SA would cause problems we decided to leave & returned to the UK, we only spent 2 harsh winters in Scotland & in spite of buying a flat life was a struggle with industrial unrest & as explained before not being able to rely on a full weeks pay packet.

Finally we decided we had to leave the UK, the only family we had there were older siblings that had not migrated to SA when our parents did. As we had little contact with them because of distance & difference in ages it was not an issue.
We had 3 choices USA, Canada or Australia. The first 2 were dismissed as having cold winters (sadly at the time we did not know how pleasant California was) so Australia won.

We were selected to go to New South Wales & first tried Newcastle but moved to Sydney within a short time because of employment.

Only visited Melbourne during a few holiday & during the few years our daughter lived there. At the time I thought restaurants were better than Sydney & I prefer Sydney which has a harbourside setting whereas Melbourne has the Yarra River. There are some nice areas out of the city to visit The Dandenongs & Mornington Peninsula for example.

Brisbane in the early years I considered a country town but it has changed with lovely city along the river and nice suburban areas which sprawl in all directions. The Gold Coast or Sunshine coast are an hours drive in opposite directions with nice beaches.
Brisbane being further north is hotter than Sydney but as anywhere on the East coast it is humid.

This is one of the reasons we moved to New Zealand, the other was we were able to buy a modest house in one of the best areas of Auckland for much less than a similar area in Sydney at the time (2001) We actually bought in May & moved there after 9/11 & within 1 year property in our area increased by 30% because so many Kiwi's came home from working overseas as well as many Brits & American etc moved to NZ as they thought it would be far away from terrorism & this has proved this case so far Thank God.

Australia is a great country but do not discount NZ because I think that also is a great country.

At my stage of life I prefer NZ because I have outgrown Australia & Sydney.

Although we still own a house in Auckland we plan on moving to Hawke's Bay for what we hope to be a better climate & other reasons.

However if I was in my 20's again I think my choices would be Sydney or Auckland for work opportunities, & Brisbane for climate, lifestyle & work by the fact it is a growing city.

In Auckland you have everything Sydney has to offer, Universities, Good Schools, Parks & Gardens, Art galleries, Zoo, Ice Planet, theatres, sporting events boating, horseriding & lots for children to do. I will try & find some links for you to read on Auckland.
The (where I used to live) Mission Bay Jazzfest is on this weekend.

Then there the Devonport Wine & Cheese weekend. Also 30 minutes by ferry from Auckland is Waiheke Island & Rangitoto & the Hauraki Gulf all lovely spots & also has events.

Also health care I am sure this topic is covered on this & other NZ forums but in Australia you have Medicare which used to be a compulsory contribution of 1.5% of your salary which was capped (not sure of current situation) There are also private health insurance schemes which I think over the years have become expensive & you always have to pay an excess gap of 20% or more on top of all medical or surgical procedures.

In NZ (again look at Forums for posts) public hospitals are free, Dr's visit are on a sliding scale depending on age of children etc. Private health insurance is available we had hospital & specialist cover only, premiums were based on age & claims history & were adjusted each year. We paid about $5,000 in our last year, however my husband had $60,000 in claims for heart condition in a private hospital & they paid out 100%. Company is called Southern Cross & I think they are excellent. Of course much cheaper for young people.
So much for you to consider & I don't want to sway you either way but merely
try & point you in a direction where you can make informed choices for yourself.

Ann

kiwigser 1st March 2011 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarah_Yorke_82 (Post 468304)
Hi everyone! I'm new to this..
I have been reading many threads on
Here, and I have to say they have been a huge help and provide some fantastic info!

My husband and I (33 and 28) are keen to emigrate - house is for sale already! Family and friends informed... Children happy! (2 girls aged 2 and 9) The thing is.. I'm not 100% as to which country to
Go to!?

My husband is an Electrician therefore either destination would be an option. (my husband favours NZ) I am a marketing manager - sales, therefore can probably find work anywhere? I however feel OZ would have more potential? More opportunity?

Does NZ have enough "opportunity" for work?

Will our children enjoy growing up in NZ? Is there enough for them to do?

Are the people friendly?

Having never been - I have limited info
On NZ - other than what's found on the Internet!

If NZ we would look to go to the Auckland Region.. If Australia we would look to
Go to Melbourne...

Apologies for the long message.. However as much help/info/advise on this would be greatly appreciated!!

Many thanks!!!

Sarah x

I really cannot add much to the replies you've had. Most important visit any city before moving. I realise you will only get a superficial impression on holiday, but its a start.
We holidayed in both countries and chose NZ, its more British than Britain and we preferred the people. I know its an obvious thing to say but everywhere is a long way in Aus. where NZ is more compact and prettier.
If things go pear shaped in the rest of the world we can feed ourselves and 70% of our power is from renewables.

Good luck

anski 2nd March 2011 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarah_Yorke_82 (Post 469475)
Ps and to see that you too were in your 20's is great! How did you handle leaving your family and friends!? How long would you say it takes to "settle" in?!

Thanks Ann!

Hi Sarah,

Sent you a pm but in case you don't receive it take a look at the new thread I have just started called AUCKLAND Life & Places to go

It will give you more insight on Auckland as a destination.

Ann

Yvonne.72 2nd March 2011 03:17 AM

Hi Anski, I've just been reading your Ten Pound Poms post on britishexpats, all the best for a long and happy retirement in Hawke's Bay. I should think after 32 years in Australia I'd be looking for somewhere with a gentler climate too :) You were in Sydney weren't you? I believe the climate is very similar to Auckland's.

Hawkes Bay does have its cold winters though so be sure to find a place that is well insulated and faces north.

Yvonne.72 2nd March 2011 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiwigser (Post 469524)
I really cannot add much to the replies you've had. Most important visit any city before moving. I realise you will only get a superficial impression on holiday, but its a start.
We holidayed in both countries and chose NZ, its more British than Britain and we preferred the people. I know its an obvious thing to say but everywhere is a long way in Aus. where NZ is more compact and prettier.
If things go pear shaped in the rest of the world we can feed ourselves and 70% of our power is from renewables.

Good luck

Oh my dear, that last sentence was a bit unfeeling wasn't it? :( perhaps you don't live in Christchurch.


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