Is it really that bad in nz? - Page 2

Go Back   Expat Forum For People Moving Overseas And Living Abroad > Australasia & the Pacific Islands > New Zealand Expat Forum for Expats Living in New Zealand

New Zealand Expat Forum for Expats Living in New Zealand Have you moved to New Zealand from another country? Or are you thinking about making New Zealand your new home? Want to meet others like you and discuss Real Estate, sport, socialising, food, cars, insurance, laws, taxes and anything related to New Zealand?

Like Tree69Likes

Is it really that bad in nz? - Page 2


Reply
 
Subscribe to this Thread Thread Tools
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 28th February 2011, 10:38 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Hawkes Bay
Posts: 888
Rep Power: 250
anski is on a distinguished road
99 likes received
111 likes given

Users Flag! Originally from southafrica. Users Flag! Expat in australia.
Default

Well one man's meat is another man's poison or so they say.

I lived in Australia (Sydney & Queensland) for 32 years & New Zealand (Auckland) for 8 years.
The remaining 25 years in lots of other countries.
I think in my personal opinion that both NZ & AU are wonderful countries but obviously not all migrants share the view. When I return to the country of my birth I am pleased my parents made the decision to migrate when I was 9!

As for domestic abuse sad to say this happens in many countries often fueled by excess of alcohol, drugs or stress & financial problems.

I remember women being beat up in Scotland because they simply waited outside the pubs or betting shops in Glasgow trying to save some of their housekeeping money from their husband's pay packets only received a few hours before, and I am talking about the 1960's!

I also remember being shocked at the blocks of tenements where several families all shared 1 outside toilet & none of the flats had indoor toilets or baths but they had to wash themselves in the kitchen sink or a tin bath. That's poverty in my mind! Also was in the 1960's & many of you are too young to have witnessed this.

I am appalled at the number of young women today in the UK that swear & get drunk & display very unfeminine behaviour in public & seen on television shows.

I think if you are sensible you realise there is good & bad in every country.

However I was shocked at some of the areas in the UK today where there is racial tension & obvious signs of poverty & neglect. Football hooligans in UK today seem very different to the football games my father took me to as a child in the 50's. My father would roll in his grave today if he saw his beloved England & the way it has become in parts today so don't get me started on that.

Driving does leave a lot to be desired sometimes & youth are reckless in many countries. It is a known fact that males under the age of 25 are the most accident prone. My son wrote his first car off in Australia at the age of 17 not realising how to control his hormones & speed. But after that I sent him to an Advanced Drivers Course so it is up to parents also to guide these youngsters. I do agree driver education should be taught in schools though.

As for comparing Australia with New Zealand it is like comparing apples with pears. Both are wonderful countries and I don't think anywhere in the world today is cheap any more not if you want quality of life or living.

Don't be put off by disgruntled migrants some people find it hard to adjust for different reasons & many return back to the UK only to find in the end they really do prefer the life in NZ/AU.
It takes a certain amount of spirit, discipline & effort to successfully migrate & no it usually does not fall into your lap at first. But comparing what you given up (which if you think about did not happen overnight either but over a period of years) is foolish.
People in all countries moan about the high cost of living these days it's a fact.
Dumbo, kiwiman61, Lunda28 and 2 others like this.


Last edited by anski; 28th February 2011 at 10:44 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 1st March 2011, 12:17 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Auckland
Posts: 219
Rep Power: 807
kiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond repute
24 likes received
4 likes given

Users Flag! Originally from uk. Users Flag! Expat in newzealand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mt3 View Post
Hi we have been here for 7 years now, and have had enough, do not be fooled by the clean green image, its a Myth as for a life style if you cant afford it forget it.
NZ is far to expensive, There is real poverty here. Do not buy a house you are paying through the nose for what is basicaly an expensive shed. Be warned if you still feel the need to purchase property the Kiwi's love to make alterations internal and external without the required consents resulting in an unsuspecting buyer on trying to sell said property with huge fee's trying to get flat plans altered so it can be sold major stress!! make sure you obtain a lim report, a building report,
and make sure all alterations have the required consents and employ Legal advice that can be trusted. goes for the real estate side to but they have cleaned up there act a bit.
Sure its pretty here, But there is no real transport infastructure, you have to drive basically everywhere or fly more expense.there are also major social problems
Drink drugs and the amount of teens that you read about every weekend being killed in car smashes it makes me sad but nothing seems to be done about it.
you can start driving at fifteen Duh!! Drink driving is a major killer.this place is deffo 20 years behind the rest of the world
oh and the clothing is ****, leather shoes cost a fortune, Number one shoe warehouse yeah!! plastic crap.............................
Hi, just to say I am a happy immigrant to NZ and have been reading posts from the odd unhappy one. Of course we all have different circumstances and myself and all our expat friends are quite happy here and have no desire to move to Aus. or back to the UK.

A lot of the above negatives seem to be from the local paper unless of course the writer is a drug using, partner beater. When one fails in a venture its always easier to blame the system, the country etc. it cannot be a personal failing can it?

Also I see Aussies. on the forum telling us our good it is over there, do they really need to rubbish NZ to get more immigrants or is it sour grapes.
kiwiman61 likes this.

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 1st March 2011, 12:52 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Auckland
Posts: 219
Rep Power: 807
kiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond repute
24 likes received
4 likes given

Users Flag! Originally from uk. Users Flag! Expat in newzealand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FrancisJames View Post
If its fortune and lifestyle you're looking for give Australia a go?

Why do we have Aussis on a NZ forum touting for their country?

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 1st March 2011, 12:52 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Hawkes Bay
Posts: 888
Rep Power: 250
anski is on a distinguished road
99 likes received
111 likes given

Users Flag! Originally from southafrica. Users Flag! Expat in australia.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwigser View Post
Hi, just to say I am a happy immigrant to NZ and have been reading posts from the odd unhappy one. Of course we all have different circumstances and myself and all our expat friends are quite happy here and have no desire to move to Aus. or back to the UK.

A lot of the above negatives seem to be from the local paper unless of course the writer is a drug using, partner beater. When one fails in a venture its always easier to blame the system, the country etc. it cannot be a personal failing can it?

Also I see Aussies. on the forum telling us our good it is over there, do they really need to rubbish NZ to get more immigrants or is it sour grapes.
No I think when people bleat about their move to Australia it maybe just to reassure themselves they made the right decision, cannot understand why they keep popping in the NZ forum & trying to upset everyone.
Although I lived in Australia for 32 years & love it most of the time, I loved NZ too & cannot wait to return.
I enjoy going back to AU because our children & grandchildren are there but quite happy to live in NZ & there are so many nice places here. Also no snakes or deadly spiders etc although to be honest they were not that big an issue.

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 1st March 2011, 02:19 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Auckland
Posts: 219
Rep Power: 807
kiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond repute
24 likes received
4 likes given

Users Flag! Originally from uk. Users Flag! Expat in newzealand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by poljen2001 View Post
HI all,

My family is thinking of immigrating to NZ in the near future and have already submitted an Expression of Interest. Ironically, after submitting my EOI, I have read a lot of good and bad things about living in NZ and it seems that I read more bad than good things about NZ, esp as regards cost of living, housing, crime rate and wages/salaries. Now I'm having second thoughts about pushing through with my EOI. Is it really that bad to live in NZ? I need to be enlightened. Thanks, guys.

Reading some of the replies, I despair.

Auckland has been voted the 3rd best city in the world to live in

New Zealand is top of the league for state pensions (tied with the Nederlands)

It does have transport systems in the cities, but not enough population to support much intercity structure, but it does mean you can easily escape people.

The health service is mostly free and is good (I can personally back that up)

We get great weather has compared to the UK and lots of outdoor activities to go with it.

Schools are generally very good, we have teacher friends.

We do not have a terrible drink problem its lower per head than the UK Ireland France and Aus.

You can get good clothes and shoes at reasonable prices, and yes you can get cheap plastic ones for the beach.

The cheaper houses are a bit rough, but most are large and roomy, our heating bill is a fraction of our UK one.

Second hand cars are cheap, petrol, not bad

There are plenty of ways to get on the water, we are all near the sea in Auckland

Kiwis are friendly and helpful, so long as you do not whing on about were you came from.

We get out a lot, maybe only camping, but there are lots to see and the season is a long one.

If coming over now the main problem is the high NZ dollar.

Lastly the Daily Mail (UK) found that the vast majority of UK expats were more than happy with NZ as their choice.

And we only have the intelligent Australians in NZ

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 1st March 2011, 04:02 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Hawkes Bay
Posts: 888
Rep Power: 250
anski is on a distinguished road
99 likes received
111 likes given

Users Flag! Originally from southafrica. Users Flag! Expat in australia.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwigser View Post
Reading some of the replies, I despair.

Auckland has been voted the 3rd best city in the world to live in

New Zealand is top of the league for state pensions (tied with the Nederlands)

It does have transport systems in the cities, but not enough population to support much intercity structure, but it does mean you can easily escape people.

The health service is mostly free and is good (I can personally back that up)

We get great weather has compared to the UK and lots of outdoor activities to go with it.

Schools are generally very good, we have teacher friends.

We do not have a terrible drink problem its lower per head than the UK Ireland France and Aus.

You can get good clothes and shoes at reasonable prices, and yes you can get cheap plastic ones for the beach.

The cheaper houses are a bit rough, but most are large and roomy, our heating bill is a fraction of our UK one.

Second hand cars are cheap, petrol, not bad

There are plenty of ways to get on the water, we are all near the sea in Auckland

Kiwis are friendly and helpful, so long as you do not whing on about were you came from.

We get out a lot, maybe only camping, but there are lots to see and the season is a long one.

If coming over now the main problem is the high NZ dollar.

Lastly the Daily Mail (UK) found that the vast majority of UK expats were more than happy with NZ as their choice.

And we only have the intelligent Australians in NZ
I think some people are dissatisfied wherever they are & find things to nit pick.

However I alway think they either thought the grass was greener (well it is isn't it?) or they disliked where they lived sufficiently or they wouldn't have left or be wanting to leave in the first place.
It is not easy but moving countries never was.

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 1st March 2011, 04:08 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Hawkes Bay
Posts: 888
Rep Power: 250
anski is on a distinguished road
99 likes received
111 likes given

Users Flag! Originally from southafrica. Users Flag! Expat in australia.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwigser View Post
Reading some of the replies, I despair.

Auckland has been voted the 3rd best city in the world to live in

New Zealand is top of the league for state pensions (tied with the Nederlands)

It does have transport systems in the cities, but not enough population to support much intercity structure, but it does mean you can easily escape people.

The health service is mostly free and is good (I can personally back that up)

We get great weather has compared to the UK and lots of outdoor activities to go with it.

Schools are generally very good, we have teacher friends.

We do not have a terrible drink problem its lower per head than the UK Ireland France and Aus.

You can get good clothes and shoes at reasonable prices, and yes you can get cheap plastic ones for the beach.

The cheaper houses are a bit rough, but most are large and roomy, our heating bill is a fraction of our UK one.

Second hand cars are cheap, petrol, not bad

There are plenty of ways to get on the water, we are all near the sea in Auckland

Kiwis are friendly and helpful, so long as you do not whing on about were you came from.

We get out a lot, maybe only camping, but there are lots to see and the season is a long one.

If coming over now the main problem is the high NZ dollar.

Lastly the Daily Mail (UK) found that the vast majority of UK expats were more than happy with NZ as their choice.

And we only have the intelligent Australians in NZ
Well written thank you for expressing your views. Some people find it easier to sling arrows. Ignore them they'll go away & bang their soap box somewhere else.
emmagordon7 and kepi nik like this.

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 1st March 2011, 04:25 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Auckland
Posts: 219
Rep Power: 807
kiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond reputekiwigser has a reputation beyond repute
24 likes received
4 likes given

Users Flag! Originally from uk. Users Flag! Expat in newzealand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by anski View Post
I think some people are dissatisfied wherever they are & find things to nit pick.

However I alway think they either thought the grass was greener (well it is isn't it?) or they disliked where they lived sufficiently or they wouldn't have left or be wanting to leave in the first place.
It is not easy but moving countries never was.
I agree, moving country is one hell of a step, but we found joining clubs etc. made fitting in much easier

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 1st March 2011, 06:06 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
Posts: 353
Rep Power: 556
jenswaters has a reputation beyond reputejenswaters has a reputation beyond reputejenswaters has a reputation beyond reputejenswaters has a reputation beyond reputejenswaters has a reputation beyond reputejenswaters has a reputation beyond reputejenswaters has a reputation beyond reputejenswaters has a reputation beyond reputejenswaters has a reputation beyond reputejenswaters has a reputation beyond reputejenswaters has a reputation beyond repute
36 likes received
24 likes given

Users Flag! Originally from england. Users Flag! Expat in newzealand.
Default

FINALLY!!!!! I was starting to worry that there mainly negative people left on here. Thank you so much for all the positive posts.

Please remember, people who rant and belittle issues and countries are people who seem to be unable to see things from a balanced perspective. The points of view that are worth taking on board and digesting are the ones that don't ignore possible negatives, but come from people who are able to explain WHY such things happen, and what the flip side is. It's not just about everything being positive or negative...you DO have both in every country around the world. The difference is being able to see things from a balanced perspective. Yeah, feel free to express a negative, but at least try to explain WHY such a problem is around...as you say, swings and roundabouts.

Just because 1 person sees the low population and therefore supposedly-high cost of imported goods (i.e. living costs) as an issue, doesn't mean that others wouldn't rather have the higher expense at the plus of having a sparsly populated country that still has the friendliest people I have ever met. I use myself as an example...I really cannot stand much about the UK. I find it apologetic for our heritage, drowning in redtape and pc issues, a huge social divide with a class systems that create more problems for the gain of politicians. BUT THAT'S ME & MY OPINION. My brother thinks I'm crackers...he is the most patriotic person I know, thinks that the town we grew up in is the best thing since sliced bread, and that the drunken drug addicts on the street corners are just "teenagers being teenagers"! & THAT'S HIS OPINION.

People who sing the praises of 1 country over another have had a negative experience in 1 of the countries. Try and listen to anski & kiwigser...a wonderfully balanced set of views that highlight the pro's and con's for BOTH countries.

WELL DONE!

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 3rd March 2011, 05:53 AM
New Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 2
Rep Power: 0
VickieP is on a distinguished road

Users Flag! Originally from newzealand. Users Flag! Expat in uk.
Default

I am a kiwi living in Aussie and miss NZ dearly. Sure, I get paid more here in Australia but I miss the beautiful scenery, the laid back lifestyle and emphasis on education in NZ (B.O.P in particular). I am a teacher and can definitely advocate the hard work teachers put in NZ, as opposed to QLD in AUstralia.

Yes, crime is a little high for my liking in NZ, but it is here in Aus too. Avoid the gangs, domestic abuse situations and getting wasted on booze and you will be fine!

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply


Tags
cost of living, crime rate, electrician, primary teaching, salaries and wages

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Expat Forum For People Moving Overseas And Living Abroad forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Location
Where you live
Expat From Country
Please select the country you originate from. This will appear as a flag when you make posts on the site.
Expat To Country
Please select the country you have either moved to or want to relocate to. This will be presented on the site when you make posts.

Log-in


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


FORUM PARTNERS

ExpatForum.com is owned and operated by VerticalScope Inc.

Retiring Overseas Guides | Moving Overseas Guides | Cost of Living | Health Care Guides


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:27 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.