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Very interesting to read all these views about NZ.
We are considering moving to the Auckland region,
are there any 24hr shops open for Groceries? It's not a deal breaker, but even when we lived in Iceland there were 2 shops in Reykjavik that were open 24hrs a day.

Also, how expensive is Golf? Not looking to play expensive Courses, but just your standard munci Course of a decent nature. Are clubs expensive?

And finally, how do Kiwi's sociliase? Is it pub quizs, to the Pub on a Friday after work with workmates, or even mid-week or do people not really do this?
One thing I learnt when I lived Iceland was, that most folk didn't really go for a few pints midweek - they would wait until the Weekend and get hammered.

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Very interesting to read all these views about NZ.
We are considering moving to the Auckland region,
are there any 24hr shops open for Groceries? It's not a deal breaker, but even when we lived in Iceland there were 2 shops in Reykjavik that were open 24hrs a day.

Also, how expensive is Golf? Not looking to play expensive Courses, but just your standard munci Course of a decent nature. Are clubs expensive?

And finally, how do Kiwi's sociliase? Is it pub quizs, to the Pub on a Friday after work with workmates, or even mid-week or do people not really do this?
One thing I learnt when I lived Iceland was, that most folk didn't really go for a few pints midweek - they would wait until the Weekend and get hammered.

thanks in advance,
Hi there - yes, absolutely - although these are mainly a couple of the big ones in Central Auckland. Normally supermarkets will be open at 7-8 am and close anywhere between 8 pm and midnight.

I think you'll find golf a reasonable price. We don't play (yet) but there are a number of clubs in our area, and they are well attended. Not just by the rich, either. They're much more casual than the UK too - I wouldn't wear a bikini round one (but then I personally wouldn't wear a bikini!) but certainly shorts are acceptable.

Socialising - all that you mentioned. We go to a Pub quiz every Tuesday, and are members of a number of clubs including a Scuba diving, Car and Theatre group. Most companies have an 'end of month' Friday drink (and some have an 'end of week' every week!) For some reason, Thursday seems to be night for 'hitting the town'.

And in our group, we meet at peoples houses for barbecues, or go for walks and picnics in the local regional parks.

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Thanks for that, Topcat.

We are still looking at options and NZ seems very high on the list. Having read both the positives and negatives, I think it looks a place that we could be happy in.
Easy going people who enjoy walking, beaches, and the water. Outdoor life. We are really chilled out/laid back people.

Joining Social clubs sounds a good option to meet people as well. The Golf being a lot more informal sounds excellent as well. Coming from Scotland, there are certainly loads of Clubs up here with their old school rules that even discourage regular folk from playing, not saying should wear Football tops on the course, but a bit more casual sounds good.

Also, how big a game is Squash in NZ? Do people play it quite reguarly?

Many thanks for your help so far.

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Thanks for that, Topcat.

We are still looking at options and NZ seems very high on the list. Having read both the positives and negatives, I think it looks a place that we could be happy in.
Easy going people who enjoy walking, beaches, and the water. Outdoor life. We are really chilled out/laid back people.

Joining Social clubs sounds a good option to meet people as well. The Golf being a lot more informal sounds excellent as well. Coming from Scotland, there are certainly loads of Clubs up here with their old school rules that even discourage regular folk from playing, not saying should wear Football tops on the course, but a bit more casual sounds good.

Also, how big a game is Squash in NZ? Do people play it quite reguarly?

Many thanks for your help so far.
There are squash clubs here - my colleague at work is something on the committee of one.
I'll ask her where you can get more details.

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Hi!
My family and I are looking to relocate to New Plymouth from Kentucky in December. I've found a lot of interesting feedback on this site but I guess we won't really know til we get there. My husband and I are going to visit in July/Aug for 12 days. My husband has a job already there to start in January with a 2 year contract. We have 6 children, all who are excited except for our 14 year old daughter. I'm praying she will have an open mind to give it a chance.
I was wondering if you were still considering the move and where you are in the application process. We're gathering the last of the paperwork to send in by mid-Sept. Hopefully we'll get it in well before that deadline. Perhaps we'll be walking thru this adventure about the same time...

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Just thought I would add my experiences into the mix too, especially from an education perspective. I have travelled quite extensively, and experienced Carribean, American, English, and now NZ cultures and attitudes, as well as the education systems.

Regarding fitting in and "tall poppy syndrom" (I LOVE that phrase...never heard it before) - my experiences have shown that NZ and Pacific Island cultures are that of respect and almost a proud humbleness regarding self-promotion. It simply isn't done here, and can take a certain amount of adjusting too. I am certainly no-one who has much to shout about in their life, but when I do mention the things I have done (as a statement of fact, rather than boasting) I see that some people struggle to understand that it is just fact, and not self-promotion. Having worked around America and Americans, where it is very much expected that people promote themselves and their achievements, I can see why there would be a difficulty here. It is simply a CULTURE issue, rather than anything else. Just keep this in mind, and you cannot go far wrong.

Houses - I personally don't find all housing to be sheds. I understand why people don't understand houses not having insulation, but the Government schemes and high influx of immigrants means that these issues are now being addressed, slowly. Ways around this are that many homes now have heatpumps (think A/C and heat unit combined) and burners. Newer homes are being built with these issues in mind.

Education - I am working as a secondary teacher now. I have done all over the place, and have been a lecturer in training teachers and pedagogy (in fact, different education systems are a huge interest of mine). The system here is a credit system, whereby students accumulate credits each year, and cannot progress onto the next year without the right number of credits. Students can leave school at 16 (Y11 here), but can choose to stay on until Y13 (18 years old). As such, you tend to find that there can be a certain level of lethargy amongst some students at lower levels and ages. This can affect less-motivated learners. But you can combat this by choosing your school carefully. Check out TKI - Schools for information about schools in your area. The decile rating is relative to the affluence of the school - the higher the number the more affluent the school/area (theoretically). For me, my son is very bright, but can be lazy, so when it comes to school time, we will make sure he is in a school that will push him a bit harder.

I personally love it here, but I cannot comment on Wellington as I live in Tauranga. My advice would be to come here open-minded if you do come. Try to avoid comparisons to the US, as you will find them soooooo different that it is likely to make you homesick and a little overwhelmed (although some comparisons are inevitable). You get more for your dollar in the US than NZ, but money isn't as much of a driving force here.

Good luck

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Have an open mind and come with a sense of adventure and you'll be fine. It is my personal opinion that living in one place all your life is like having a large wonderful book and reading just one page....

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Read the comments and I tend to agree with most.
NZ is very expensive to live in. The is no real great take aways!!
They call themselves a 1st world country, but the only thing that makes them first world country is the personal safety!
I come from South Africa, classified as a 3rd world country, but SA has way better technology, take aways, roads! and many many more. The only thing SA lacks is safety!
When you want to move to NZ think twice, I would have been back in SA if it wasn't for the fact that I don't have any money to move again.

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I have lived here for nearly a year. Don't do it.

1) It is cheap to live here on US dollars, it is expensive to live here in NZ dollars, particularly compared to the costs/wages we are used to in the US.

2) Tall poppy syndrome is rampant, and it's not just for people who have a superior attitude. It includes anyone who is energetic, outgoing, expressive, overtly happy, or thinks that improving the way things are done is a good thing. If you are not a quiet, introverted person who tends toward depression (and likes it that way), don't even try to live here.

3) Things here are of low quality, from the houses (which for reasons unknown are built without insulation) to the food you buy at the grocery to the appliances you buy at the homewares store. Things are expensive, and then they fall apart, and if you have a problem with that YOU will be considered the unreasonable one. The one place where NZ is absolutely superior to the US, though, is in its meat. Grass-fed beef on a regular basis -- awesome. I will miss that a lot.

4) I have never heard so many just plain wrong and ignorant things about the US as I have here, and I'm not just talking about uninformed private citizens, I'm talking about in the newspapers and editorials. The last two doozies I read was that McCain was the darling of the Republicans during the 2008 elections, and that liberals love to shop at Wal Mart. There is nothing wrong with not knowing things, but it is always delivered in a sneering fashion, usually pointing out how inferior and crazy America is. Really, really annoying.

5) There is a kind of low self-esteem/arrogance thing going on, where as a culture they feel inferior, but then they get mad and try to say they are superior. They are insecure about their place in the world and it sometimes gets in the way of having a simple interaction.

Overall, there is just an attitude of be quiet, don't cause trouble, don't try to puff yourself up by coming up with any new ideas, and if something goes wrong, it's probably your fault.

If you think you can live with that, by all means, move to New Zealand. But I am counting down the days until I can go home -- 56 days, 3 hours, 20 minutes and counting...
Thats interesting. Actually I think that much of the opportunity in the country that I've found rampant is that Kiwis are always looking for new and better ways of doing things. It is impossible to develop new technology or otherwise without questioning the status quo.

Kiwis are certainly understated compared to their American counterparts and it is for this reason I think that expats from the UK tend to fit in more easily. This however has nothing to do with creating new ideas.

As far as ignorance of the wider world. I couldn't disagree more. Sure many people have no idea about the states or elsewhere however on the whole Kiwis have a far better understanding of the wider world simply because they are so isolated it is imperative to learn about the rest of the world if you are to compete.

I suspect that you have lived in the US and nowhere else and then moved to NZ. I suggest you live in multiple different countries and then compare. For eg go back to the states and "pretend" that you are a kiwi. Then see what level of ignorance exists with your fellow Americans.

This is not a pro kiwi anti American slant but merely the reality of the world we live in. Furthermore the entire idea of categorizing oneself according to a particular place (America, Japan, UK, NZ whatever) is increasingly meaningless in the world we live in. Best to wake up and move forward.

I personally don't recognize nationality as I think it is largely a waste of time. I value people individually regardless of where they happen to have been born or grown up. This makes for easy interactions all over the world and assists in understanding others without a blind mindset that what you know is superior to others.

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oh!! so what about people who lived and came from the third world???!!!

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