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Thank you very much Escapedtonz! You have been very helpful!

I was considering applying for a Partnership Visitor Visa, but I can only be in NZ for 9 months out of 18 months. Without getting into specifics, I can only go to NZ on this PVV (if granted) after 2013 since the amount of time I have been in NZ before this date would add up to more than 9 months out of 18 months

Again, it means waiting longer and not visiting NZ until 2014 to have at least 6 months on this PPV I am willing to do that but again, it gets more difficult into proving that my fiance and I are "living together in a partnership". Furthermore, the application clearly stipulates that we MUST be living in a genuine and stable partnership which again means we have to be living together. If INZ does not take into consideration the time I have spent with my fiance on my visits to NZ as "living together", we have therefore not lived together at all

I do not want to have any Visa I apply for declined, as applications for further Visas may be compromised if I was ever declined for a Visa.

I have to ensure that I do all this correctly so as not to jeopardize my chances of being able to live with my fiance. Again, if I can't move to NZ, since he cannot move to Canada, we can't be together. I love this man with all my heart and I want to be with him just as he wants to be with me. We've been doing this long distance relationship thing for over 2 years and every time I visit and leave, it just gets much more harder for both of us. If I could be living with him in NZ tomorrow, I would be there! These visits are proving to be very costly as I still have a place to pay for in Canada when visiting on top of the cost of airfare and everything else while in NZ

INZ is not clear and has no provisions for people in our positions unfortunately. It would be great if INZ would confirm that time visiting a loved one could count as "living together" in a partnership for people like me who meet a NZ citizen/resident while residing out of country. We can only be together when I visit... So how can we prove a partnership if the only time spent together was when I was visiting him. INZ really needs to do like Australia and get a "Fiance Visa" to allow people in my position at least 9 months to be able to live with their partner and then be able to marry and stay in the country longer.

Again, I am just sharing all the information I can. I have looked through INZ meticulously, over and over again, and it appears as though my only possible option is to request a regular Visitor Visa for 6 months, go and visit legitimately my fiance then after a few months while I am there, make application for a Partnership Work Visa to stay there at least for 12 months to meet the partnership criteria in order to apply for residency. That's what the Immigration Officer was inclining to suggest without spelling it out. And as I mentioned earlier, I do not wish to work and when I mentioned that to the Immigration Officer, she said that I didn't have to work on this Partnership Work Visa since the purpose of it is to be able to live with my fiance. Then I asked why couldn't I request the Partnership Visitor Visa and that's when I was told about the 9 months out of 18 months (I already was aware of it through reading INZ policies)...

So thank you EscapedtoNZ!!! I appreciate your input tremendously!
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How about this daft idea.....

Your fiancÚ has been an NZ resident for 25 years ok.
He can apply for citizenship as he has held Residency for more than 5 years.

As an NZ citizen he has the right to live, study and work in Australia without a visa as there is a reciprocal agreement between the two countries.
So with this can you not then apply for the fiancÚ visa in Oz then use that to get in NZ ?

Worth a bit of research time ?

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He is an Australian citizen so he can move to Australia anytime. I have thought of this idea, but he has employment in NZ and his children are living there. He would have to try to find employment in Australia, relocate there and then I could perhaps apply for the Fiance Visa but I don't know if there are any provisions for an Australian citizen who has been away from his country for 35 years? I don't know if he would be able to act as a sponsor.

I just thought that it would be best to remain in NZ as he has been there most of his life. Although he is Australian, he left as a youngster so it's like an unknown country for him

Thanks escapedtonz.. I know you are trying and I am really appreciative! Trust me, I have thought of everything, but I am at a loss, hence the reason I joined this forum... Perhaps someone has been in my situation previously and could shed some light... Or someone like you can offer suggestions that I have not considered before! Thanks though! I treally mean it!

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OK, so I understand that your fiance is settled in NZ, has a job and has family there so in essence must stick to life in NZ.

Trying now to concentrate on you getting to NZ to be with him in your own right.

Instead of looking at the Partnership Residency Visa or the Partnership Visitor Visa, why not try to get to NZ in your own right.
Unsure of your personal circumstances like age etc, so considering everything....

Have you looked at the Working Holiday Visa ? Assuming you are within the age range that would get you into NZ as a visitor who could work for a period of 12 months for a Canadian.
Then in that 12 months after you have been living with your fiance for a while, apply for something more permanent. There is no requirement to actually work.

Also, why not reconsider your desires not to work or not to study ?
Temp. Work Visa or Study Visa.
You wouldn't have to endure work or study for a lengthy period. Just long enough to create the time together so you could then apply for a more permanent partner visa.
Seems a small price to pay to enable you to get yourself into a position to remain in NZ permanently.

Would you be eligible to apply for Residency in your own right without a job offer ?
If you had enough points on the EOI you could come to NZ as a Resident yourself without reference to your fiance and having enough points without a job offer means it is unlikely that a Residency Visa of your own would have any work conditions.
I did this and didnt have any actual conditions that meant I had to find a job when I arrived.

If you have considered these and ruled them out then you only have one or two options left :-

Come to NZ on a visitor visa - you can stay for a total of 6 months in any 12 month period as you are from a visa-waiver country.
Since I expect you have been to NZ recently, you may have to wait a few months before you can come back for 6 months.

Bite the bullet and apply for the Partnership Visitor Visa or Partnership Residency Visa. Be completely honest with Immigration and if the worst happens and the application is declined, at least you will be given a reason why the application has been declined and you can work on resolving that specific issue of your application and in time apply again.
Having an application declined shouldn't compromise any future application unless you are trying to misplace the truth or bend the rules.
If it's just a straight decision that you do not meet the criteria yet then you can re-apply when you do meet the criteria and in that time you must do what you need to do to make yourself eligible.

I sympathise with your situation but rules are rules!
No consolation I know but if your dedicated you'll get here.

Could you make an appointment with Immigration NZ office in Canada to sit down with them and go through your situation and go along with their advice.
They may offer you better advice face to face than over a recorded phone line !

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Thanks escapedtonz!

I did look into all the options you mentioned, but I already have a degree and worked in a specialized field for 20 years (a field that I no longer want to do and would not consider doing again).

I don't qualify for the Working Holiday Visa as I am over 30 (early 40s actually!)...

As far as a Student Visa, I would need to be studying full-time. The cost associated with the programme I would undertake is around $26 000 per year. Too much money for me to fork out. Other programmes are also quite expensive so my savings would be dwindling quite quickly...

As far as the Work to Residence option, my understanding is that I have to have a full-time job in NZ or an offer of employment before having any chances of being able to come under this category. I had contacted an Immigration Advisor previously who advised that I would not be able to get to NZ without a job or job offer under this category. How did you manage to do so? Can you tell me more about your situation?

I really believe that my best bet at this point is to come under a Visitor Visa and subsequently meet with INZ in NZ to ask them what options I would have to be able to stay longer with my fiance. I think a person to person interview would be much better than talking to an Immigration Officer over a recorded phone line! I agree!

No worries as far as truthfulness. I would NEVER lie and jeopardize any chances of being able to be with my fiance. I understand that every situation is different and has variations so I always believe the truth is the best policy. And it would never be in my character to lie to anyone let alone Government officials! Thanks again!

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I did the Points Calculator and scored 100. The MINIMUM

If I had over 140, I would be automatically picked, but anywhere between 100 and 139, I need a job or job offer (according to what I read in INZ Policies)

Also, the field where I am skilled, I can't work in due to medical reasons. I can work doing something else, but not my specific line of work. More issues to deal with...

So I guess this option is out

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I moved to NZ for love also, 18 months ago, from California. I moved here to trial the relationship in real life. I applied for an extended visitor's Visa with multiple entry. I applied outside NZ and it cost nothing. They do ask that you provide bank information showing you have the funds to support yourself. That Visa was good for 9 months, not sure if it has changed.
Once I was here, it was evident 5 months into our living together, that me going back to the US was not an acceptable future plan for us.
I immediately applied for a work Visa based on partnership status and supplied immigration with proof of our shared home and income (mail with our names and address, joint bank account, photos of us together, etc). I was also required to provide chest x-ray results, and a medical work up form and a police certificate from the FBI. I also provided them with copies of our correspondence when we were apart (receipts for packages mailed), copy of phone receipts showing NZ calling plans, etc.
They granted that work Visa to the exact date of one year from my initial arrival. So, that will technically get you to your one year mark with your partner, but does not allow any space to apply for your residency Visa... they do not allow any buffer--so, you will have to apply for another work Visa based on partnership, and provide all the same evidence of your relationship, but your physical, x-ray and police certificate will not need to be duplicated. If you meet criteria (which you should since you did the first time around), they will grant you another Visa for 12 more months. You will now have passed your 12 month mark as a couple living together, and have a few months to spare before applying for residency (although I wouldn't suggest putting it off). Hope all this helps.

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Thank you very much Escapedtonz! You have been very helpful!

I was considering applying for a Partnership Visitor Visa, but I can only be in NZ for 9 months out of 18 months. Without getting into specifics, I can only go to NZ on this PVV (if granted) after 2013 since the amount of time I have been in NZ before this date would add up to more than 9 months out of 18 months

Again, it means waiting longer and not visiting NZ until 2014 to have at least 6 months on this PPV I am willing to do that but again, it gets more difficult into proving that my fiance and I are "living together in a partnership". Furthermore, the application clearly stipulates that we MUST be living in a genuine and stable partnership which again means we have to be living together. If INZ does not take into consideration the time I have spent with my fiance on my visits to NZ as "living together", we have therefore not lived together at all

I do not want to have any Visa I apply for declined, as applications for further Visas may be compromised if I was ever declined for a Visa.

I have to ensure that I do all this correctly so as not to jeopardize my chances of being able to live with my fiance. Again, if I can't move to NZ, since he cannot move to Canada, we can't be together. I love this man with all my heart and I want to be with him just as he wants to be with me. We've been doing this long distance relationship thing for over 2 years and every time I visit and leave, it just gets much more harder for both of us. If I could be living with him in NZ tomorrow, I would be there! These visits are proving to be very costly as I still have a place to pay for in Canada when visiting on top of the cost of airfare and everything else while in NZ

INZ is not clear and has no provisions for people in our positions unfortunately. It would be great if INZ would confirm that time visiting a loved one could count as "living together" in a partnership for people like me who meet a NZ citizen/resident while residing out of country. We can only be together when I visit... So how can we prove a partnership if the only time spent together was when I was visiting him. INZ really needs to do like Australia and get a "Fiance Visa" to allow people in my position at least 9 months to be able to live with their partner and then be able to marry and stay in the country longer.

Again, I am just sharing all the information I can. I have looked through INZ meticulously, over and over again, and it appears as though my only possible option is to request a regular Visitor Visa for 6 months, go and visit legitimately my fiance then after a few months while I am there, make application for a Partnership Work Visa to stay there at least for 12 months to meet the partnership criteria in order to apply for residency. That's what the Immigration Officer was inclining to suggest without spelling it out. And as I mentioned earlier, I do not wish to work and when I mentioned that to the Immigration Officer, she said that I didn't have to work on this Partnership Work Visa since the purpose of it is to be able to live with my fiance. Then I asked why couldn't I request the Partnership Visitor Visa and that's when I was told about the 9 months out of 18 months (I already was aware of it through reading INZ policies)...

So thank you EscapedtoNZ!!! I appreciate your input tremendously!

Not sure where you stand with your issue, but here is what I did:

After a several years long virtual relationship with my now husband, we decided we needed to meet IRL and live together to determine our next steps. I tied up a lot of loose ends in the US and moved to NZ on an extended visitors visa that also allowed for multi entry. After living together for 5 months, we decided we could not be separated again; we got married (always the plan anyway) and submitted a work visa based on partnership application. In it we supplied evidence of our relationship: joint bank account info, mail addressed to the both of us at the same address, correspondence we shared when we had been apart etc. INZ granted me a work visa that was good for one year to the date of my arrival (which meant my visa expired the same day we hit our 'living together for 12 months mark')--no matter, at least it was a step in the right direction. I was not required to work with the visa, it just simply allowed me that option to work in any field, at any time. A month before that work visa was set to expire, I applied for a renewal (same visa), it was granted for another year; however, as soon as my husband and I passed the 'living together for 12 months mark', I was eligible to apply for permanent residency, which was granted in less than 2 weeks. I've over-simplified the process, but it isn't really difficult if you're organized: make sure to take lots of photos while you're together, join your financial accounts together, get put on a rental agreement together, get friends/family attesting to the legitimacy of the relationship, etc. Hope this info helps, good luck!

So, I think what I'm saying is that if you collect all your evidence, including testimonial from you and your partner, and evidence our your time spent living together, you *should* be able to apply for a work visa based on residency (and it does not mean you have to work, just that you can if you want to!). And, it may be that the partnership work visa is the route to go, as it allows for 12 month stays at a time!


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