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Did you read through the link I provided in my last post? If not I suggest you do.

As I read it your vehicle in 1994 model- that's 18 years of driving on UK roads, salt etc.

I personally would not risk shipping it- It may not pass inspection here, don't fool yourself they are very thorough. Our 9 month old Puegeot went through a very stringent inspection.

At the end of the day depends if you want to gamble on spending $5,000 to ship an 18 year old vehicle that may not meet approval. I would invest the $5,000 into something here instead.
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I have had a quote from Joe Steele at McCullough Ltd. Shipping Vehicles, Cars, Boats & Cargo Containers Into and From New Zealand - McCullough[/url]
P.O. Box 37-104 | 8 Farnham Steet, Parnell, Auckland, New Zealand
p: +64 9 303 0075 | f: +64 9 303 0072 | m: +64 21 968 694 |

They say because they are shipping so many UK vehicles due to the exchange being so good they are able to offer a package which includes:

Export UK Clearances, Packing LCL in Container, Ocean Freight, Customs Clearance in NZ, MAF fees, Port Service, Container Cartage, Unpacking, and delivery to compliance in Auckland or Christchurch or Nelson –
Total 3400.00 NZD. Containerised (not roll on/off).
Not included:
Cleaning of the vehicle if required (allow 200.00NZD estimate)
Compliance and on road costs (compliance for a Euro vehicle is around 500.00 NZD if it goes straight through)
Pickup in UK (they can arrange pickup from anywhere and deliver to their depot in Barking and Felixstowe)
Marine Insurance – they can provide this (normally around 350.00 NZD / 500 excess – covering from pickup to delivery).

Total around $5000NZD all in.
It would cost me 1.5 times that to buy my car here. I assume it will pass compliance standards as Toyota Surfs are constantly being imported? I was also told I wouldnt need to pass the emmissions test as it is my car, and I am a resident etc.

This sounds like very good value and very easy, they leave weekly and it takes 37 days port to port.
Can anyone else comment on whether this sounds like a good deal or if it sounds like they are dodgy?
Hi ricasalamat,

Please read through the advice given before you look into the deal you've been offered.

First off you need to investigate whether your vehicle fits the minimum criteria for export to NZ - ie is it in good condition, no leaks, no rust, no bits falling off etc. etc. Is it roadworthy. Does it pass a UK MOT with flying colors.
Then if your satisfied all is well and roadworthy you must provide the proof that you have owned the car over 12 months (to avoid the GST - doesn't matter how old it is) and prove that it complies with the NZTA regulations for emissions, frontal impact etc. etc. with a letter off a professional body stating that it does as your say so just doesn't cut it.

Don't just assume it complies as examples of this vehicle have been exported here previously.
You are right in the fact there are many of them here, but how many of them are from the UK ?
I'd say the majority if not all will be Japanese imports.
Different car with a different build for a different market - just has the same name.
Japanese built vehicles comply with NZ rules as Japanese cars themselves are built extremely well to the same standards as here. Totally different than UK or Euro spec vehicles.
After 3 years when a Japanese car is due it's first MOT they go through such a stringent and expensive MOT process it is more economical for the Japanese owners to just dob it in as a part exchange for a new vehicle.
Costs them approx 1500 to get it through assuming it is healthy.
When they have part ex'd in Japan there is then no one mad enough to pay the additional MOT fee on top of the car price to put the 3 year old car back on the road, so they are sold at auction to NZ importers who bring them here.
They are put through the NZTA tests, pass as they all comply with NZ rules then end up on the forecourt for kiwi's to buy.

Looking at the deal you've been quoted :-

Cleaning fees - is that the cost of having the vehicle cleaned in the UK ?
I would add additional costs on top of this for steam cleaning by Maf when it arrives.
If they find a spec of mud or grass it will have to be cleaned to their standards and I would bet my last dollar that it will be needed.
We were charged $69 just to have a tent sheet washed which had one grass seed!!! We had never even used the tent. It was new in the bag. Only been spread out on the back garden to check the size before we came.
I'd budget another $300 for cleaning here.

On road costs are fixed. These are the NZTA test fee, registration & road tax.

The compliance costs not included is a minefield. Could cost you $500 but I suspect your car wouldn't comply and would need lots of work.
You wouldn't know this unless you researched first.
If you don't, you take the risk of the NZTA stating it doesn't comply and the reasons why when it goes through the test on arrival.
If your talking chassis work to comply with frontal impact it's time to max out the visa card. Cost you thousands.
You can always refuse to get the car but NZTA will just give you a letter stating the vehicle cannot be put on NZ roads meaning it cant be registered & you still have to pay for exporting it but it would be useless to you and would have to be kept off the road.

Pickup in UK and delivery to port is expensive. I wouldn't pay for this I would pay a friend to do it for you as it will cost you at least a few hundred quid.

Marine insurance for free - please look at the policy. Free insurance doesn't sound good. I doubt it covers anything that you need. Think about all the things that could go wrong when your car is being taken to uk port, containerized and put onto and unloaded from a ship. Are they all covered ?
What about total loss like what happened with the Rena ?

The statement about the car not having to pass emissions just because its your car & you are a resident - in my opinion that's rubbish. You have to be resident here to import the car. If Customs, Maf or NZTA don't have anyone here that is taking responsibility for it when it arrives then it wouldn't be allowed to be offloaded.
It still has to comply with emissions standards regardless of its age, where it's from, who owns it and their immigration status here.

$5000 for shipping sounds a good price to me but in reality I think your way off the mark when you consider all the other aspects unless you've done all the research and your happy that there wont be any hidden costs.

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Hi ricasalamat,

Please read through the advice given before you look into the deal you've been offered.

First off you need to investigate whether your vehicle fits the minimum criteria for export to NZ - ie is it in good condition, no leaks, no rust, no bits falling off etc. etc. Is it roadworthy. Does it pass a UK MOT with flying colors.
Then if your satisfied all is well and roadworthy you must provide the proof that you have owned the car over 12 months (to avoid the GST - doesn't matter how old it is) and prove that it complies with the NZTA regulations for emissions, frontal impact etc. etc. with a letter off a professional body stating that it does as your say so just doesn't cut it.

Don't just assume it complies as examples of this vehicle have been exported here previously.
You are right in the fact there are many of them here, but how many of them are from the UK ?
I'd say the majority if not all will be Japanese imports.
Different car with a different build for a different market - just has the same name.
Japanese built vehicles comply with NZ rules as Japanese cars themselves are built extremely well to the same standards as here. Totally different than UK or Euro spec vehicles.
After 3 years when a Japanese car is due it's first MOT they go through such a stringent and expensive MOT process it is more economical for the Japanese owners to just dob it in as a part exchange for a new vehicle.
Costs them approx 1500 to get it through assuming it is healthy.
When they have part ex'd in Japan there is then no one mad enough to pay the additional MOT fee on top of the car price to put the 3 year old car back on the road, so they are sold at auction to NZ importers who bring them here.
They are put through the NZTA tests, pass as they all comply with NZ rules then end up on the forecourt for kiwi's to buy.

Looking at the deal you've been quoted :-

Cleaning fees - is that the cost of having the vehicle cleaned in the UK ?
I would add additional costs on top of this for steam cleaning by Maf when it arrives.
If they find a spec of mud or grass it will have to be cleaned to their standards and I would bet my last dollar that it will be needed.
We were charged $69 just to have a tent sheet washed which had one grass seed!!! We had never even used the tent. It was new in the bag. Only been spread out on the back garden to check the size before we came.
I'd budget another $300 for cleaning here.

On road costs are fixed. These are the NZTA test fee, registration & road tax.

The compliance costs not included is a minefield. Could cost you $500 but I suspect your car wouldn't comply and would need lots of work.
You wouldn't know this unless you researched first.
If you don't, you take the risk of the NZTA stating it doesn't comply and the reasons why when it goes through the test on arrival.
If your talking chassis work to comply with frontal impact it's time to max out the visa card. Cost you thousands.
You can always refuse to get the car but NZTA will just give you a letter stating the vehicle cannot be put on NZ roads meaning it cant be registered & you still have to pay for exporting it but it would be useless to you and would have to be kept off the road.

Pickup in UK and delivery to port is expensive. I wouldn't pay for this I would pay a friend to do it for you as it will cost you at least a few hundred quid.

Marine insurance for free - please look at the policy. Free insurance doesn't sound good. I doubt it covers anything that you need. Think about all the things that could go wrong when your car is being taken to uk port, containerized and put onto and unloaded from a ship. Are they all covered ?
What about total loss like what happened with the Rena ?

The statement about the car not having to pass emissions just because its your car & you are a resident - in my opinion that's rubbish. You have to be resident here to import the car. If Customs, Maf or NZTA don't have anyone here that is taking responsibility for it when it arrives then it wouldn't be allowed to be offloaded.
It still has to comply with emissions standards regardless of its age, where it's from, who owns it and their immigration status here.

$5000 for shipping sounds a good price to me but in reality I think your way off the mark when you consider all the other aspects unless you've done all the research and your happy that there wont be any hidden costs.
Thanks, some good points there. The main issue seems to be the compliance.
If you have NZ residency (as opposed to just being in the country) and you have owned it for over 12 months and its your only car import then you are exempted from duty, gst, emmissions standard and front impact standard. So no problemo there. It is actually a Japanese vehicle (was imported to UK and now being imported to NZ) so its Japanese standards but from 1994. Cleaning cost was for at this end (no point cleaning pre ship). My belongings were inspected when shipped including camping and gardening gear but as clean and smelling of Jeyes fluid they passed (top tip that one). Insurance is not free (its 350). The UK pick up and transporter to port is included (cant be driven as no insurance or road tax).

BUT the tricky bit appears to be the rust issue and complaince. They say structural rust fails but apparently they are quite subjective!
I would be interested to hear if anyone has managed to get an older car past them..it doesnt sound like it so far!
I have alot of memories tied up in the vehicle but its not old enough to be 'vintage' and be exempt. As others have said the importers are happy to advise that its not a problem but they dont mention the potential rust problem (salty damp UK roads = rust that is OK for us in UK but apprently not here).

Am currently communicating with three of the vehicle certifiers here re the issue and will report back what they say (though its not looking hopeful!).

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Was wondering if anyone had any experience/advice on shipping cars from UK to NZ. We are weighing up if it's worth selling both our cars and buying when we move or taking them with us...

Over here private sale one is worth 2,000 and the other 3,000...if we were not moving we wouldn't be considering changing cars...

I was also wondering if anyone had an idea about cost of shipping, one is a ford fiesta, the other vauxhall astra...

Look forward to hearing from you...
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I personally think cars that are only a few years old are MUCH more expensive here. My advice would be to go on TRADEME.CO.NZ and have a look at the prices of cars you have and then make a decision. The good thing about over here though is that car insurance is MUCH cheaper.
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No don't do it.
My advice is sell them both in the UK.
Shipping them is a complete waste of money.
First of all you need to make sure the cars conform to NZ safety & emissions standards.
Be careful as some shipping companies will overlook this so when you get it here NZ Transport won't let you use it on the road unless you have spent thousands making it conform to the more stringent rules.
Putting these costs aside it will cost you approx 1500 per car then there are further fees of approx 400 to get them through customs and Maf then there's all the red tape to have them safety tested, WOF (equivalent of UK MOT) which is every 6 months for an older car at the moment, then registration plates etc.
Plus it will take 10 - 12 weeks to get here.
Plus your car is UK spec so speedo and odometer is in miles & mph. NZ is metres & Kmph here so you very much run the risk of getting done for speeding as the Kmph dial is tiny on a UK spec car.
Last but not least you will never sell it here. Nobody wants a manual car and especially one thats UK spec.
Sorry to sound all doom and gloom but this is the reality.

We bought a new top of the range 2011 Pug 4007 HDi GT 7 seater 4x4 suv in June 2011 to bring it with us, but after investigating the shipping and all the red tape a few months before we started the travelling we gave up due to the costs.
Was much easier to sell it.
We only had it 7 months, did 8000 miles in it and lost 3000 in that time but it would have cost more to ship it etc etc so we cut our losses and this was a new car.
It made the decision about taking my 2005 Seat Toledo all the more easier. We sold that as well.
All in all we received 23500 for both cars in the UK before we left and for the same cost in equivalent NZ$ we bought a 2010 Mitsubishi Outlander which is virtually identical to the Pug 4007 we had although it's a year older and I've got a fantastic Subaru Legacy 3.0ltr R Spec B SI Tiptronic beast - a car I've always wanted but couldnt afford the fuel in the UK or the insurance.

The 2nd hand car market here is great.
There are loads of vehicles of every manufacturer and the Asian import stuff is obviously cheaper as its nearer.
If you don't mind a car with a bit of Japanese on the buttons there are loads of Japanese imports. My Subaru is one of these. There are some buttons that are Japanese and the sat nav doesn't work as you cant change it to read an NZ map disc but I have an English handbook so I can understand and change all the settings.

The Japanese are sticklers for keeping their cars tidy and well looked after. When they get time for their first MOT a lot of them are sold as their first MOT's cost around 1500 so I'm led to believe. This is why there's such a massive market for Japanese imports.

If these aren't your cup of tea there's the NZ Autotrader and every big town has a street full of main dealers with new & used motor's for sale and the saying that cars here are expensive is a myth.

Also, fuel is cheaper - petrol currently $2.20 per litre so approx 1.10
Diesel is a lot cheaper than that but all diesel cars have to pay an additional diesel levy here so this makes the overall cost the same as for a petrol car.
Servicing is cheaper.
Road Tax is cheaper.
Car insurance is about half the price of the UK.
Hope I've convinced you :-)
Good point, couldn't agree more

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You will find European cars more expensive here, but Jap and Korean about the same as the UK, well they were on $2 to the pound, but the pound has fallen again, so comparisons are difficult. Buying second hand is no problem, cars do not rot away here, no road salt. I know newer UK cars are protected but the brakes and bodywork eventually succumb, even BMW's.

We are currently driving a new Hyundai, a 15 year old Pajero (Shogun) and a 15 year old MGF. The older vehicles are still going strong and cost very little. You can get engine insurance for up to 10 year old vehicles quite reasonably.

Unless your cars are special, it is a utter waste of money bringing them over.

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hi guys!
i am currently living in NZ but thinking about buying car in uk and bringing it over here! one of the reasons is that i can get very cheap cars from uk auctions. i was checking late models of BMW, Audi, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, VW and some Volvo and the difference between the prices is just crazy! if u can buy 2005-2010 car for 8k-15k NZD in uk and here in nz the same car is for 20k-40k, those 5k-7k shipping, custom fees and all hidden expenses completely satisfying me! i could drive some nice car and in the same time try to sell it and make some extra money! only thing that i am afraid of is navigation sys, speedo, odometer! So maybe some of u know about original navi systems? r those navis are working here in nz? if not is it possible to re-program them?
what about speedometer and odometer is it very difficult or expensive to change it from MPh to KMh?
i will appreciate if someone could help me with those things!
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i am currently living in NZ but thinking about buying car in uk and bringing it over here! one of the reasons is that i can get very cheap cars from uk auctions. i was checking late models of BMW, Audi, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, VW and some Volvo and the difference between the prices is just crazy! if u can buy 2005-2010 car for 8k-15k NZD in uk and here in nz the same car is for 20k-40k, those 5k-7k shipping, custom fees and all hidden expenses completely satisfying me! i could drive some nice car and in the same time try to sell it and make some extra money! only thing that i am afraid of is navigation sys, speedo, odometer! So maybe some of u know about original navi systems? r those navis are working here in nz? if not is it possible to re-program them?
what about speedometer and odometer is it very difficult or expensive to change it from MPh to KMh?
i will appreciate if someone could help me with those things!
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In my opinion - crazy idea !

Yes used cars can be cheap in uk auctions, I understand why you would think you could buy a bargain there and drive it here - after shipping of course.

You will find some equally good bargains at NZ auctions and you have the benefit of seeing them in the flesh, testing them or having a mechanical inspection.
Have to be careful a car in the uk not previously damaged, crashed, stolen, owed finance.
How will you ensure this from NZ or would you just trust the auction house ?
Don't forget the exchange rate and additional auction fees.
Are you allowed to purchase from a UK car auction when overseas ?

Navigation systems of UK spec cars will not work in NZ, nor can they be made to work.
They use a DVD to drive them which holds the map data but there is no alternative NZ DVD as there is no market for them as UK spec cars generally live in the UK and not in NZ.
I enquired about a 2007 Audi and a 2011 Peugeot - both of which had matching models from SEAT, Citroen, Mitsubishi and I couldn't get an alternative NZ DVD sat nav disc for either.
The cars may have been very similar both sides of the globe but the Nav systems where from different suppliers in different countries and not compatible with one another.

Changing the speedo/odometer from Mph to Kph - where are you gonna find an alternative set of clocks ?
If you did find them they'd cost you a fortune to buy and same to fit plus you then devalue the car further as it has been tampered with. You would have to specify the car having replacement clocks and you would have trouble proving the vehicle total mileage ?

I'd expect if you import a vehicle into the UK you would be charged customs import tax on the value, just like I would if I imported anything and the value of the item over the import value threshold.
This is nothing to do with GST - that's something else.

How are you going to prove the vehicle complies with NZTA rules and regulations ? It must have a letter of conformity from the manufacturer - from the country of specification ?
You may have problems providing this info and getting it through NZTA ?

Last but not least, what about GST ?
Wouldn't you have to pay GST on its value to customs - and the value is its worth in NZ, not your purchase price in UK.
If your an immigrant then you may be free from paying GST but would have to keep the car 2 years.

If it was so straightforward and a lot cheaper to import a much cheaper car from oversees, everyone would be doing it wouldn't they ?

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In my opinion - crazy idea !

Yes used cars can be cheap in uk auctions, I understand why you would think you could buy a bargain there and drive it here - after shipping of course.

You will find some equally good bargains at NZ auctions and you have the benefit of seeing them in the flesh, testing them or having a mechanical inspection.
Have to be careful a car in the uk not previously damaged, crashed, stolen, owed finance.
How will you ensure this from NZ or would you just trust the auction house ?
Don't forget the exchange rate and additional auction fees.
Are you allowed to purchase from a UK car auction when overseas ?

Navigation systems of UK spec cars will not work in NZ, nor can they be made to work.
They use a DVD to drive them which holds the map data but there is no alternative NZ DVD as there is no market for them as UK spec cars generally live in the UK and not in NZ.
I enquired about a 2007 Audi and a 2011 Peugeot - both of which had matching models from SEAT, Citroen, Mitsubishi and I couldn't get an alternative NZ DVD sat nav disc for either.
The cars may have been very similar both sides of the globe but the Nav systems where from different suppliers in different countries and not compatible with one another.

Changing the speedo/odometer from Mph to Kph - where are you gonna find an alternative set of clocks ?
If you did find them they'd cost you a fortune to buy and same to fit plus you then devalue the car further as it has been tampered with. You would have to specify the car having replacement clocks and you would have trouble proving the vehicle total mileage ?

I'd expect if you import a vehicle into the UK you would be charged customs import tax on the value, just like I would if I imported anything and the value of the item over the import value threshold.
This is nothing to do with GST - that's something else.

How are you going to prove the vehicle complies with NZTA rules and regulations ? It must have a letter of conformity from the manufacturer - from the country of specification ?
You may have problems providing this info and getting it through NZTA ?

Last but not least, what about GST ?
Wouldn't you have to pay GST on its value to customs - and the value is its worth in NZ, not your purchase price in UK.
If your an immigrant then you may be free from paying GST but would have to keep the car 2 years.

If it was so straightforward and a lot cheaper to import a much cheaper car from oversees, everyone would be doing it wouldn't they ?

thanks for Your advice!
i never heard that they are doing GST from nz value.
why i was asking about those speedo and odo, is because i thought to bring diesel car over but u r paying RUC in kilometers not miles, wouldnt it be a problem? of course u can use math and calculate approx milage but anyway it seems odd to me!
will do a big research an calculation will let u know guys how it goes!
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thanks for Your advice!
i never heard that they are doing GST from nz value.
why i was asking about those speedo and odo, is because i thought to bring diesel car over but u r paying RUC in kilometers not miles, wouldnt it be a problem? of course u can use math and calculate approx milage but anyway it seems odd to me!
will do a big research an calculation will let u know guys how it goes!
thanks!
Oh yes it's one of many ways customs have a license to print money.
When we considered bringing our Peugeot 4007 2.2HDi GT 7 seater from the UK that we had recently purchased we were told we would have to pay 15% GST on it as we hasn't owned it for 12 months.
We purchased it as a demonstrator after it was 3 months old and a couple of thousand miles done by the dealership director.
Paid 23k or equivalent $46k so we were looking at an extra $6900 in GST, but nooooo. When we enquired through the shipping company it was its NZ value for a nearly new European car worth $60k +......Ouch!!!
That information put the final nail in the idea of bringing the car with us.
We sold it in the UK for 3k less than we paid just a few months earlier, but better to lose that money than pay NZ customs an extra $9k + in GST.
Wouldn't be a problem you having a car with Mph and Miles on the speedo/odo.
You would still buy the diesel levy in Km's - eg 10000 km's which I think is the max you can buy. You would just have to convert the vehicle miles to km's so you knew how many miles you were allowed to do before you had to renew the diesel levy charge.
1km = 0.62137 miles, so if you purchased 10000 Km's for around $500, you could travel 6213.7 miles.

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