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President Obrador said today, finally, that everyone should stay home and only go out for essential reasons. Mentioned perhaps closing the airports.
A week ago he was still in denial, shaking hands and kissing babies.
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He is still out there spreading misinformation. Because of him some Mexicans actually believe that Mexicans cannot get the illness!
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Yes, I wonder how "the people" he supposedly cares so much about are going to feel about the message he's putting out when they start to se their loved ones dropping and dying like flies. His Minister of Health seems to be a lot more on the ball, though. As have been many state governors and members of the public who are blocking access to their communities from outsiders.
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President Obrador said today, finally, that everyone should stay home and only go out for essential reasons. Mentioned perhaps closing the airports.
A week ago he was still in denial, shaking hands and kissing babies.
What is his problem anyway? Lack of smarts? Some sort of God complex? In early stages of dementia?

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He should have closed the borders and have anyone who had to travel in quarantine when they got back from abroad.. too little too late for not wanting to upset the applecart.. This is going to cost lots of lives..

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He should have closed the borders and have anyone who had to travel in quarantine when they got back from abroad.. too little too late for not wanting to upset the applecart.. This is going to cost lots of lives..
Only time will tell. I can't explain why Italy/France/Spain have so many cases and I also can't explain how someone can speculate as to when a country such as Mexico will see its 'apex'.

But I do think that most of Mexico (by land mass if not by population) are somewhat isolated from the rest of the world. Look at an incidence map for the US.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-us-cases.html

On the border of Mexico it looks like Southern California is the largest hotspot. And you can kind of see that in an incidence map of Mexico.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...1.54580675&z=5

The southern Mexico border looks ok for the most part. Mexico City not so much.

I believe Phase 3 begins on Moday. I know locally in addition to the distancing they are requiring masks. Most restaurants/bars are closed.

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/cor...se-3-strategy/

I think AMLO is faced with much different challenges than someone such as a Trump. For one thing the bulk of the Mexican healthcare system really is a facade (although it may be well intentioned). In my opinion, if you want a good chance to catch this virus - just go for a visit to your local IMSS hospital/clinic. Morelos has in the area of 35 cases and 7 deaths. 1 doctor and 3 nurses at the main IMSS hospital are counted in the statistics. I wouldn't go within 100 yards of an IMSS facility.

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In Mexico the areas with tourists , large cities and areas near the northern border got contaminated first. Ib the south we have a much lower incidence of contamination so far, unfortunately people down here to not pay much attention to what the government is telling them and they have had plenty of large gathering of people.

.The virus is here so it will contnue multiplicando and once it hit the indigenous areas it will be murder , because the familes are large, poor and with many health problems to start with, add to that the hospitals lacking in resources that are already overcrowded and it is a disaster in the making, it is a question of time .. The only hope it that the virus for whatever reason dies out .

Down here it started with people returning from the states or from abroad but we are I believe in phase 2 and it will continue..
Yes 95 per cent of the people will have no or little problems but the doctors, health workers and some areas are very vulnerable.

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Mexico has a major issue, as mentioned, a lot of people don't give a @#$#@ about the virus. Either because of machismo, distrust of the government, or whatever, or they can't self-isolate because they'll die of starvation.

It's a time bomb that's on the verge of detonation.

BTW, what is an indigenous area? I've really moved away from the term in my writing. It's sort of an academic version of "indio".

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Indigenous areas are areas were all the villages are populated by indigenous and rule by usos y custumbres.. There are plenty of them in the Chiapas Highlands. The indigenous have kicked out all the " kaxlan" non indigenous and taken the land back. ie Aldama,San Andres Larrainzar, Oventik,Chenalho, Pantelho, Cancuc, Oxchuc and on and on.. In those areas the famililies tend to be large, poverty is high and women are still paid for.. Like in Aldama where a wife cost 30 000 pesos and on and on.. I that means indio to you , be it, that is your interpretaton.

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Well, since indigenous means originating from the area being referred to, when I hear the term I think of people who have lived in that place since time immemorial. Therefore to my way of thinking they have more legitimate claim to that land than the rest of us. The term in some First Nations languages in Canada for non-native folk is still “visitor” or “guest”. We have been particularly unpleasant and avaricious guests for the most part...

Here’s a Canadian article on various terms used.
https://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/terminology/

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