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Today I learned about the chinampas outside of Mexico City and elsewhere in Mexico. I found this completely fascinating. The Aztecs were absolutely brilliant at solving problems and making what they had work for what they needed.

https://www.dw.com/en/mexicans-turn-...sts/a-48939312

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About the only thing the Aztecs were absolutely brilliant was stealing ideas from neighboring tribes and collecting victims for sacrifice...If they were around today the terms thugs & bullies might apply...

It is possible that around 20,000 people were sacrificed a year in the Aztec Empire. Special occasions demanded more blood – when a new temple to Huitzilopochtli was dedicated in 1487, an estimated 80,400 people were sacrificed.
https://www.historyrevealed.com/eras...ecs-sacrifice/

IMHO if they were so brilliant their empire would have lasted at least 200 years...

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To be fair lots of other groups did human sacrifces all the way down t Peru. I think the Aztecs probably were doing more of them than the other groups and for that reason many hated them..but still, the Mayas also had human sacrifces.. They say a few but then who knows..
The Inquisition in Europe did some pretty awful stuff too in the name of God so t is difficult to be the first one to throw a stone..

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Today I learned about the chinampas outside of Mexico City and elsewhere in Mexico. I found this completely fascinating. The Aztecs were absolutely brilliant at solving problems and making what they had work for what they needed.

https://www.dw.com/en/mexicans-turn-...sts/a-48939312
I agree that the floating islands for agriculture were /are very interesting, the Aztecs’ penchant for human sacrifice notwithstanding. Thanks for the link.

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Thanks for the link, Deb. I couldn't watch the video, but the article was interesting. I'd be interested in seeing the Veracruz project, which must be fairly well along by now if they've been able to keep to schedule (Feb 2017 to Dec 2019.)

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About the only thing the Aztecs were absolutely brilliant was stealing ideas from neighboring tribes and collecting victims for sacrifice...If they were around today the terms thugs & bullies might apply...

It is possible that around 20,000 people were sacrificed a year in the Aztec Empire. Special occasions demanded more blood – when a new temple to Huitzilopochtli was dedicated in 1487, an estimated 80,400 people were sacrificed.
https://www.historyrevealed.com/eras...ecs-sacrifice/

IMHO if they were so brilliant their empire would have lasted at least 200 years...
I don't know why you have to bring negativity into what was meant to be a positive thread, but if you want to talk about extinct tribes, let's talk about how Christopher Columbus used to organize hunting parties to slaughter native people by the hundreds, or the Trail of Tears in the US ordered by our current so-called president's hero, Andrew Jackson, or maybe the wholesale slaughter of Native Americans by the British when they were stealing their land and murdering their people. Don't even get me started on "manifest destiny," and all the diseases we brought across the country that made dozens of NA tribes extinct.

Being a brilliant civilization does not preclude also being cruel, does it, and being civilized evidently does not preclude us even now from being mean spirited.

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Yes the chinampas were a great idea and made a lot of sense for people living on a lake.. The milpas concept versus monoculture is also a great concept. Wether the Maya or the Aztecs were more advance n some ways that the Spaniards who came and took over.
I love to visot the Santo Domingo ex convento where they have art from the Mixteca and Zapoteaca and thr Spaniards at the time of the conquest.The difference between the cultures is fascinating and the Spanish one was not as nteresting as the indigenous ones.. IMHO.

The Zapotecs and the Mixtecs also had been conquered by the Aztecs . The Aztecs were empire builders and were pretty amazing at organizing the groups they had taken over. They did it in very little time and their influence was huge.. I like the story about the relay runners from Vera Cruz bringing fresh fish to the elite over night or just about.. Amazing featwhen you know the lay of the land. The Spaniards were amazed by Tenochitlan , it must have been a sight to behold.
It is said that Moctezuma bathed several times a day when the European did not bathed ntil 300 years later.. They were a smelly and filthy bunch in comparaison to the indigenous elite.

Palenque had bathrooms and running water centuries later Versailles did not..
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It is like rural people everywhere, before modern technology, they all devised ways to make the best of what they had got, from strip farming in Europe to the andenes of South America. As for the murderous approach, the European conquerors brought a lot of that along with them, what with the Spanish and Portuguese in Latin America to the British, French, Dutch, etc. in North America, etc...

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While this topic is a fascinating subject and I know Citlali works with indigenous people, all this talk seems to echo indigenismo, which was the policy of the SEP for about 60 years. There are still 68 indigenous languages spoken in Mexico with 364 variants which represent about 6% of the population. For almost all of the last 500 years heavily discriminated against including the revolutionary governments of the 1920s and 1930s (they were some of the worst offenders), but somehow still around much more than in the USA. BTW, the Spanish were heavily in North America, not just because of California, etc, but also because Mexico (the country) is in North America. I had to comment because it is my study area and I just passed by qualifying exam and went ABD and am just getting my fieldwork underway in Mexico.

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Contratulation Xolo..What kind of field work are you starting and where?

The varients are a real ***** to learn a language... here n Chiapas the vocabulary changes from Village to village and it is a real handicap to learn how to speak a language.. You can kind of figure out what the meaning is.. but to speak you have to stay in the same place until you can speak that varient, otherwise forget it.. I am mostly forgetting it.. May be if I coud spend one year in one place, I could finally learn something..


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