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Not sure if I can post this here but here goes.

Is anyone up to speed on foreigners owning/using air soft rifles and hand guns, also Filipinos owning such. Is there any paperwork involved for either scenario etc.
Me also being in the same residence as the guns locked in our safe and of course I know the combination.
I did read somewhere that anything with a muzzle velocity of 550 fps or greater is classed as dangerous.
Any thoughts or help would be appreciated.

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For sure without any doubt in the world air soft or beebie style guns are not allowed same with knives, cross bows or stun guns. Only a Philippine Citizen can own a gun. https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/2...-act-no-10591/

Another thread on this topic https://www.expatforum.com/expats/ph...0225-guns.html
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For sure without any doubt in the world air soft or beebie style guns are not allowed same with knives, cross bows or stun guns. Only a Philippine Citizen can own a gun. https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/2...-act-no-10591/

Another thread on this topic https://www.expatforum.com/expats/ph...0225-guns.html
I don't understand your response. There is nothing in that republic act about air soft. In fact, the definitions leave it out. The old topic has one mention of airsoft and BB guns, but he did not offer any proof about them.

The title includes only: COMPREHENSIVE LAW ON FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION

(l) Firearm refers to any handheld or portable weapon, whether a small arm or light weapon, that expels or is designed to expel a bullet, shot, slug, missile or any projectile, which is discharged by means of expansive force of gases from burning gunpowder or other form of combustion or any similar instrument or implement. For purposes of this Act, the barrel, frame or receiver is considered a firearm.

(b) Ammunition refers to a complete unfixed unit consisting of a bullet, gunpowder, cartridge case and primer or loaded shell for use in any firearm.

(q) Imitation firearm refers to a replica of a firearm, or other device that is so substantially similar in coloration and overall appearance to an existing firearm as to lead a reasonable person to believe that such imitation firearm is a real firearm.

SEC. 35. Use of an Imitation Firearm. An imitation firearm used in the commission of a crime shall be considered a real firearm as defined in this Act and the person who committed the crime shall be punished in accordance with this Act: Provided, That injuries caused on the occasion of the conduct of competitions, sports, games, or any recreation activities involving imitation firearms shall not be punishable under this Act.

Air soft would be an imitation firearm at best. Non-lethal projectiles fired without combustion. Pellet guns are a bit more dangerous, but probably also considered imitation firearms. Maybe a pellet gun could kill a person if you put it in an ear and fired it, but that is a crime anyway so the imitation firearm used in a crime is covered in the bill. Imitation firearms used in sports and recreation activities are not covered by the bill.

I know several expats who own airsofts, obtained at retail sporting shops. No license required. I have never seen any proof that an expat can't own an airsoft. Only hearsay.

From Wikipedia:
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In the Letter of Instruction 1264, a Presidential Directive, signed by former President Ferdinand Marcos in 1982, bans the import, sale and public display of gun replicas.[35] The Philippine National Police has been given the authority to classify what constitutes a gun replica and airsoft guns were deemed different from replicas, therefore the common legal interpretation is that there may be no need to repeal LOI 1264 in order to achieve full legalization of airsoft in the Philippines.[35] The Republic Act No. 10591 declassified airsoft weapons as actual firearms.[36] A ban places airsoft guns on the list of banned firearms. It classifies that no person is permitted to carry firearms in public except for security officers, police officers and military personnel on duty.

Despite this, there are many active Airsoft communities within the Philippines which are left to their own devices, including the communities in Quezon City, Antipolo City, Cainta, and other such places."

I'm not sure what the sentence I highlighted in blue means, but I think it just means you can't display it in public.

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I don't understand your response. There is nothing in that republic act about air soft. In fact, the definitions leave it out. The old topic has one mention of airsoft and BB guns, but he did not offer any proof about them.

The title includes only: COMPREHENSIVE LAW ON FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION

(l) Firearm refers to any handheld or portable weapon, whether a small arm or light weapon, that expels or is designed to expel a bullet, shot, slug, missile or any projectile, which is discharged by means of expansive force of gases from burning gunpowder or other form of combustion or any similar instrument or implement. For purposes of this Act, the barrel, frame or receiver is considered a firearm.

(b) Ammunition refers to a complete unfixed unit consisting of a bullet, gunpowder, cartridge case and primer or loaded shell for use in any firearm.

(q) Imitation firearm refers to a replica of a firearm, or other device that is so substantially similar in coloration and overall appearance to an existing firearm as to lead a reasonable person to believe that such imitation firearm is a real firearm.

SEC. 35. Use of an Imitation Firearm. – An imitation firearm used in the commission of a crime shall be considered a real firearm as defined in this Act and the person who committed the crime shall be punished in accordance with this Act: Provided, That injuries caused on the occasion of the conduct of competitions, sports, games, or any recreation activities involving imitation firearms shall not be punishable under this Act.

Air soft would be an imitation firearm at best. Non-lethal projectiles fired without combustion. Pellet guns are a bit more dangerous, but probably also considered imitation firearms. Maybe a pellet gun could kill a person if you put it in an ear and fired it, but that is a crime anyway so the imitation firearm used in a crime is covered in the bill. Imitation firearms used in sports and recreation activities are not covered by the bill.

I know several expats who own airsofts, obtained at retail sporting shops. No license required. I have never seen any proof that an expat can't own an airsoft. Only hearsay.

From Wikipedia:
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In the Letter of Instruction 1264, a Presidential Directive, signed by former President Ferdinand Marcos in 1982, bans the import, sale and public display of gun replicas.[35] The Philippine National Police has been given the authority to classify what constitutes a gun replica and airsoft guns were deemed different from replicas, therefore the common legal interpretation is that there may be no need to repeal LOI 1264 in order to achieve full legalization of airsoft in the Philippines.[35] The Republic Act No. 10591 declassified airsoft weapons as actual firearms.[36] A ban places airsoft guns on the list of banned firearms. It classifies that no person is permitted to carry firearms in public except for security officers, police officers and military personnel on duty.

Despite this, there are many active Airsoft communities within the Philippines which are left to their own devices, including the communities in Quezon City, Antipolo City, Cainta, and other such places."

I'm not sure what the sentence I highlighted in blue means, but I think it just means you can't display it in public.

You could be right on that and nobody will stop you form purchasing the air gun, so I probably have that wrong. I thought about buying a air gun for the use of animal control on the neighbors because I've been for years tossing rocks but it turned up sour they hurt my pets back but hey everyone has a air rifle or air pistol or so I've been told and word gets around.

If used for animal control and I've talked with my neighbors on this and they recommend throwing water at the animals, so that's what I do now, throwing rocks never worked for me either, I stopped hurting their animals because its useless and they make it even but at least they shared with me what they do.

I'm only assuming for animal control so if you use this for some other reason? I apologize in advance, I'm just sharing my experience with animal control over the years. I also don't want to explain or get into a confrontation with the PNP.

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You could be right on that and nobody will stop you form purchasing the air gun, so I probably have that wrong. I thought about buying a air gun for the use of animal control on the neighbors because I've been for years tossing rocks but it turned up sour they hurt my pets back but hey everyone has a air rifle or air pistol or so I've been told and word gets around.

If used for animal control and I've talked with my neighbors on this and they recommend throwing water at the animals, so that's what I do now, throwing rocks never worked for me either, I stopped hurting their animals because its useless and they make it even but at least they shared with me what they do.

I'm only assuming for animal control so if you use this for some other reason? I apologize in advance, I'm just sharing my experience with animal control over the years. I also don't want to explain or get into a confrontation with the PNP.
I agree with everything you said there. In our area, the main use is to scare away monkeys, not domestic animals.
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Thanks guys, I have looked further into this and find the available information online conflicting and very unclear. While it appears that you need to do the following.........

Firearms and Explosives Office

There is conflicting info online but not backed up. Ben has also spoken to two gun shops that will sell air soft weapons without a permit or license "no sir you don't need, only for real guns". Go figure as some of these bb guns definitely pack some punch at close range.

I will probably talk Ben into going down the above legal path simply because I am a foreigner and a candidate for who knows what.

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Another thread on this topic https://www.expatforum.com/expats/ph...0225-guns.html
I did read this thread Mark and simple things like Gary mentions Bolos, last year I think we had this conversation on this forum and I approached our Barangay Capitan, he simply said things like that are for use on your property and all good,,,,,,,, don't take it off your property unless you can justify,,,,,, going to your neighbours house to help with their work.

Don mentions scaring off the monkeys, we want to scare off the goats that keep invading as well as some target practice on our property for a bit of fun.

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Thanks guys, I have looked further into this and find the available information online conflicting and very unclear. While it appears that you need to do the following.........

Firearms and Explosives Office

There is conflicting info online but not backed up. Ben has also spoken to two gun shops that will sell air soft weapons without a permit or license "no sir you don't need, only for real guns". Go figure as some of these bb guns definitely pack some punch at close range.

I will probably talk Ben into going down the above legal path simply because I am a foreigner and a candidate for who knows what.

Cheers, Steve.
Good find on the PNP link. It seems to conflict with other sources. Typical bureaucracy.

Read the comments on this PNP Facebook post. Many say that PNP has no jurisdiction and there is a decision from a court case posted where the defendant won. I think that was regarding the Comelec election time firearms ban.

https://www.facebook.com/FirearmsAnd...5528497967071/
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Not that I know any of the rules but I do own an airsoft m16 variant. I use it to scare the birds from the roof and for target practice.

I definitely do not use it in the front yard where the neighbors or people driving by can see me. Only because it looks like a real gun.

I have had police officers over to the house on different occasions and we all use the airsoft for target practice. They don't think it is an issue but again it looks like a real gun so if you are waving it around in the street and get shot by a cop or others it is your own damn fault.

Also they are used for "war games" where you shoot each other. It definitely hurts if it hits you and could put your eye out if unprotected but it won't kill anything, rarely kills a bird.
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On the way back from immi this morning we stopped at yet another gun shop in San Juan we found not too far from home, they did not sell air soft but did sell slug guns (lead pellets). Ben asked about paperwork even for this and yet again was told "no need sir"

We will jump on the phone to a big shop that sells online in Manila and ask them and also quote the PNP reference and see what they say, this shop only sells air soft gear and is a toy shop, will keep you posted.

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