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John1850 24th June 2020 03:18 AM

Statues removed
 
There seems to be a new craze in removing statues because of links to certain historical events; often hundreds of years ago.

For a number of reasons I think that statues should not be removed. John

bigpearl 24th June 2020 04:35 AM

Agree John, these statues are there for historical remembrances and whether right or wrong, or the reasons for erecting such edifices are there for all to learn from and not tear down because that figure is not aligned with their beliefs and can simply be learnt from. Create a political statement based on history/why this remembrance was erected and why it is not suitable for current beliefs.

The point is that these Epitomised statues stand in stead of the day and not what is relevant nor forthcoming today, next week there will be a different bit*h. Our history is long and sordid, these relics of previously accepted norms 100% need to stay intact so future generations can/will look back and learn from the wisdoms (Abe Lincoln, George Washington, Deli Lama or Monty Python) or shortcomings and simply accept history and make a better day, the opinion and norms of those times,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I really don't see any new statues going up to be immortalised or revered for the next few generations to tear down. OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

Gary D 24th June 2020 09:31 AM

They pulled down a statue of Christopher Columbus a few days ago, I guess he is to blame for the whole shebang as if he hadn't discovered America there wouldn't have been a slave trade.

John1850 24th June 2020 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary D (Post 15121056)
They pulled down a statue of Christopher Columbus a few days ago, I guess he is to blame for the whole shebang as if he hadn't discovered America there wouldn't have been a slave trade.

That was unfortunate.
Think Christopher Columbus was a few hundred years too late in "discovering" the Americas. Those nasty northern Europeans seem to have beaten him to USA/Canada. As for the slave trade; it's been going on since man became man.




Where I used to live in the UK the population was subdued by the Romans (Italians) and many became slaves. Later those "nasty" Vikings ( Danes, Norwegians and Swedes) did their own bit of murder, rape, pillage, and also made some of the population into slaves. I have blue eyes and one study indicated that people with blue eyes in northern England had ancestors from Scandinavia; probably from Viking invasion.


Towns, villages etc have Viking names in northern England and they even dress up and celebrate the Viking occupation annually in the Shetland Islands (UK). Should this stop/change?
One has to ask the question, just how far back in history do some people want to cleanse? The pharaohs in Egypt?

I was fortunate to take some photos of the statue of Lenin only two days before a mob pulled it down in an eastern Europe city. Many such statues have been demolished.

I certainly wouldn't want any UK statues of Romans to be toppled just because they did something when they were alive over two thousand years ago.

As far as I am concerned, these statues are part of the history of that district, that country, and equally the history of the world.
Learn from history. You cannot erase history by pulling down statues etc.
Remember, nobody is 100% perfect.
John

Rwestgate 24th June 2020 12:49 PM

the one that amuses me is them wanting Lincolns statue removed, he gave all his political capital and his life to end slavery, during the riots in DC recently, the War Memorial of the 54th Massachusetts Volunteers was defaced, they were the first "colored" unit to serve

bigpearl 24th June 2020 09:32 PM

These monuments/statues have become effigies for the non thinkers herded for political beliefs and motives by a few, history as we say repeats itself. I would have thought there were bigger things afoot in our current crisis with C-19 notably the countries with rising cases that will reflect higher casualties. I won't go on and as always OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

DonAndAbby 25th June 2020 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bigpearl (Post 15121368)
These monuments/statues have become effigies for the non thinkers herded for political beliefs and motives by a few, history as we say repeats itself. I would have thought there were bigger things afoot in our current crisis with C-19 notably the countries with rising cases that will reflect higher casualties. I won't go on and as always OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

That sums it up.

I think reasonable people are open to discussing certain statues and where they are displayed. However, you don't destroy them. You can put them in a museum and if needed correct the narrative associated with them. I support arresting and seriously prosecuting anyone caught defacing or tearing down a monument. If you want to get rid of or move them, go about it in the right way.

The people tearing down statues are mostly funded by groups led by Marxists. So many people don't know this. They see "BLM" and think that must be good, when in fact, the leaders are Marxists who want to tear down society as we know it.

Celebrities are giving to these groups and they don't even know what they are doing. They think giving to BLM will show that they are anti-racist. For example, my daughter likes K-Pop group BTS, and they donated $1 mil to BLM. The don't have a clue. And the K-pop fans in the U.S., mostly white teenage girls, have been brainwashed into supporting these groups.

bigpearl 25th June 2020 03:57 AM

Yep the sheep come in all sizes. Will religious statues/beliefs be next? When Donald Trumps statue is erected in the next 10 or 20 years will it be pulled down as a demonstration of the beliefs in a hundred or more years? One would hope not. People/communities/state, erect monuments for a reason based on beliefs in those times current, now gone and simply should be accepted, this is what happened and this man/woman portrayed was the father/mother of that time.

Do we pull the Cross off the wall and throw it in the river? Burn it? Bury it? Perhaps so engrained with all religious beliefs? Don't mess with that. The monuments of religious beliefs are far and wide, too many and never desecrated by the sheep. The controlled members of different societies that cannot see the trees for the forest. Regardless......
A statue or monument was erected for a purpose, plays a part in history for the believers/community ,those that won't rock the boat sit back and then when the time is ripe the opportunists strike,,,,,,,,, most times for their own agenda with scant regard to historical reasons but a small glitch that doesn't fit 2020. Not going to rant any more and as always OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

Manitoba 26th June 2020 04:52 AM

You realize that the confederate statutes were put up to reinforce Jim Crow laws and to intimidate the black population.

The Lost Cause myth was created to provide these slavers with a cloak of respectability.

DonAndAbby 26th June 2020 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Manitoba (Post 15122136)
You realize that the confederate statutes were put up to reinforce Jim Crow laws and to intimidate the black population.

The Lost Cause myth was created to provide these slavers with a cloak of respectability.

Yes, many statues should be up for discussion but you can't just have anarchists tearing them down. Put them in a museum with the whole story. Don't destroy history; use it to teach.


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