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Old 27th June 2020, 04:10 AM
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Yes, many statues should be up for discussion but you can't just have anarchists tearing them down. Put them in a museum with the whole story. Don't destroy history; use it to teach.
Exactly, don't do it again, learn from mistakes and triumphs throughout history, tearing down a statue is removing the opportunity for learning and progress for the enquiring mind. Will the world pull down religious statues/beliefs engrained in a cultural psyche?
Perhaps others will/do try for their own reasons. Will a predominately Christian society tear Jesus from the cross? No. While Christianity in essence has good teachings those teachings and beliefs have a very sworded history but we will not pull him from the cross for mistakes made by opportunists seeking their own gains and good luck to those that try.

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These scumbags are tearing down statues because this country is allowing them to do it. Someone needs to open up a machine gun and eliminate a few of these *******s and they will stop removing them.

Just my opinion. this country is like a kid hiding in a corner afraid to do anything about it.

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Politically correct? Over and above emotions? Perhaps education is in order, oh look at that statue and what it represents,,,,,,,,, let's not go down that path again. While I don't agree with shooting the perpetrators pulling down history there are plenty of countries that will/do, don't be one of them.

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Politically correct? Over and above emotions? Perhaps education is in order, oh look at that statue and what it represents,,,,,,,,, let's not go down that path again. While I don't agree with shooting the perpetrators pulling down history there are plenty of countries that will/do, don't be one of them.

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All depends on situation. If the rioters since they are no longer protesters by the actions they have taken, threaten the persons charged with protecting the monuments with bodily harm they then should be allowed to use the force necessary to protect the monuments and themselves. If the situation called for use of weapons that can kill so be it. The rioters dictate the required response by the actions they initiate/take.

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Politically correct? Over and above emotions? Perhaps education is in order, oh look at that statue and what it represents,,,,,,,,, let's not go down that path again. While I don't agree with shooting the perpetrators pulling down history there are plenty of countries that will/do, don't be one of them.

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the problem is what it represents to who ....

this has become a totally for us or against us topic, there is no wish for discussion or compromise

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Yes, many statues should be up for discussion but you can't just have anarchists tearing them down. Put them in a museum with the whole story. Don't destroy history; use it to teach.
There has been ongoing discussions on removing them with little progress for as long as I have been following the news, starting in the 60s.

These statues, sports teams with racest names like Redskins and Eskimo need to go.

History is not statutes, history is facts, paying homage to racest traitors who lost solely to reinforce the second class citizanship of a group of people is not history, it is not heritage, it is racism.

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There has been ongoing discussions on removing them with little progress for as long as I have been following the news, starting in the 60s.

These statues, sports teams with racest names like Redskins and Eskimo need to go.

History is not statutes, history is facts, paying homage to racest traitors who lost solely to reinforce the second class citizanship of a group of people is not history, it is not heritage, it is racism.
Maybe there has been little progress because the majority has disagreed with the proposal. Maybe at this time the majority might agree, so let the majority be heard! Take the vote and abide by it! Protesters/rioters don't decide for the majority.

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I guess they must stop teaching any history in school about what happened in the past that the statues represented in our history of this country.

I think most people do not agree to what happen back then but this crap is getting out of hand. They are taking advantage of the removal of statues, rioting and protesting. Our leaders are allowing them to burn down businesses, destroy government property and riot.

When a group of people show hatred and bodily injuring towards someone like an officer, isn't that a hate crime???

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There has been ongoing discussions on removing them with little progress for as long as I have been following the news, starting in the 60s.

These statues, sports teams with racest names like Redskins and Eskimo need to go.

History is not statutes, history is facts, paying homage to racest traitors who lost solely to reinforce the second class citizanship of a group of people is not history, it is not heritage, it is racism.
Wow and I'm going to get plenty of flack here but simply go back to my post earlier post #11.
Let me expound. The inquisition, world wars, 9/11 and we could all go on. I am a simple man with simple beliefs, not religious nor politically aligned and clearly know that politics and the wealthy that drive our leaders have a lot to answer for over the thousands of years of our histories, now is the time to reflect and not repeat. Learn from our history now and for future generations. Trying to/removing a cultural norm of the day that was relevant in those times smacks of uneducated masses driven by what?
In 200 years will George Washingtons statues and monuments be desecrated because "times have changed"? These monuments and their memories/statements are torn down by by people of all religious faiths ignorantly and blindly.

As said should we pull Christ from the cross or tople Buddha or incarcerate Mohamed? No. Ask yourselves why! What's the difference? All of our historical figures were enshrined with a statue and historical beliefs relevant for those times and need to be respected right or wrong. The educated learn, the sheep bleat and then some.

In Australia we have many racial issues,,,,, not from me as I have many indigenous mates, the former/current owners of Australia went through Sh1t for 250 years and are wrongly seeking compensation from the Australian people that built a colony, (mostly convicts) the blame lies with the colonisers and they need to be held to account, not Capitan Cook but his employers that raped and pillaged dozens of countries in the name of wealth and Christianity (hand in hand) and all others go to the back. (BTW I am Catholic)

I have said enough and apologise if I ruffle some feathers the wrong way and as always OMO.

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Maybe there has been little progress because the majority has disagreed with the proposal. Maybe at this time the majority might agree, so let the majority be heard! Take the vote and abide by it! Protesters/rioters don't decide for the majority.

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While the squeakiest wheel gets the most oil? When the tyres are flat? All the reasons for bitching and complaints are gone? Learn from the past, don't try to deny/remove, learn and move forward. Leave the past for future generations to learn, debate and ponder, taking or attempting to take wrongs away is doing an injustice to future generations.
The libraries of Alexandria is a classic example.

Hey while I have been all around the world and looked at/observed many monuments and statues over the last 30 or 40 years I learnt, I had no wish to tear them down, remove because it wasn't aligned with my or current beliefs and simply learnt. As said, "don't do it again" unfortunately history repeats, one only needs to open their eyes, different strokes etc.
The monuments torn down in the US can be resurrected as it is part of the countries history to be admired by some and hated by others but undeniable. Tearing it down won't remove the stain unless you burn all your libraries as has happened countless times, the educated will know.

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