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Thanks man. I love to share experiences, especially to help others. Helps to take a bit of stress out, when you hear about what others went through.

I also try to give a level headed advice, because we are all excited to move to a new country, especially as an amazing one as Australia. Because there will be ups and downs and challenges. It's not a perfect place, no place is. You will at some point miss your home country a lot, and feel homesick.

Moving to Australia offers a lot of opportunities, and a good life, but if you are expecting it to solve all your life's problems it won't. The better people keep things in perspective, the less disappointed they will be when challenges come up, and they will be better able to solve them.

I won't be able to provide any personal advice about education, as I don't have kids, so I haven't experienced the school system, but most people from comments on the forum seem very happy with the schooling for their children compared to some countries like India.

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So true. That brings me to an old question which i asked myself plenty of times, why am i going to Australia, is it worth the pain when I have a well settled decently paying job here, kids going to good school, plenty of people to hang out with, a good social circle, then why?
Going to land in an unknown land, alone initially, missing family and having read how hard it is to find a good job there I am having myself stressed to the eye balls. Overseas exp and edu not counted, some racism and bias upfront. First year would be terrible I know.
May be I want to settle in there because of good clean air and respect for individuality, may be because of kids edu because of medicare both of which is only partially free I read now.
My wife says what if the job goes away here in India, which is quite possible and real in the current context. Finding an equally good job is equally difficult here as well. What about crime, with kids growing up especially girls. She makes sense as well. And with a privacy invading society another good reason to run away.
To be honest I dont know what I am doing, where will I be, will it be better or worse for me and family, I'm in the rat race. But at least I'm doing something

Can we open ourselves up a bit and discuss this here, if you all agree? Several points and point of view will settle the nerves of many.

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There's already a thread that one guy made who lodged his application, it's about his worries about all the negative things he's heard. I think it's called something like "is Australia a good idea?"

You're wife is quite right about all the positives and it's good you guys are having that discussion. I think you'd also find in Australia that inflation is lower, politics is stable and well managed with little corruption, people aren't bribing the police or government employees for favours. You'll find the value of the australian dollar more stable than the rupee. You can have more confidence in the property market and banking sector that your money is safe. The Australian stock market doesn't have the boom and busts that the indian stock market has.
Australia is a developed country so the lifestyle is more stable, so people aren't just up and quitting their job at every opportunity, people care about things at work more than just their salary. Salaries are a much bigger expense for companies than in a developing country so they will be more choosey here. But I know lots of non-european immigrants who have jobs and are enjoying Australia. The ease of finding a job is completely dependent on the industry you are in. Since I'm a Canadian of european descent, I can't speak too much about racism. But I will say even myself it took time to make local friends, because they all grew up here, and had their circle of schoole mates, so while they were definitely friendly, they weren't very interested in opening up new friendships. You will notice the negatives more, because its new, compared to any negatives you know about your old country, because you were used to them.
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So true. That brings me to an old question which i asked myself plenty of times, why am i going to Australia, is it worth the pain when I have a well settled decently paying job here, kids going to good school, plenty of people to hang out with, a good social circle, then why?
Going to land in an unknown land, alone initially, missing family and having read how hard it is to find a good job there I am having myself stressed to the eye balls. Overseas exp and edu not counted, some racism and bias upfront. First year would be terrible I know.
May be I want to settle in there because of good clean air and respect for individuality, may be because of kids edu because of medicare both of which is only partially free I read now.
My wife says what if the job goes away here in India, which is quite possible and real in the current context. Finding an equally good job is equally difficult here as well. What about crime, with kids growing up especially girls. She makes sense as well. And with a privacy invading society another good reason to run away.
To be honest I dont know what I am doing, where will I be, will it be better or worse for me and family, I'm in the rat race. But at least I'm doing something

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There's already a thread that one guy made who lodged his application, it's about his worries about all the negative things he's heard. I think it's called something like "is Australia a good idea?"

You're wife is quite right about all the positives and it's good you guys are having that discussion. I think you'd also find in Australia that inflation is lower, politics is stable and well managed with little corruption, people aren't bribing the police or government employees for favours. You'll find the value of the australian dollar more stable than the rupee. You can have more confidence in the property market and banking sector that your money is safe. The Australian stock market doesn't have the boom and busts that the indian stock market has.
Australia is a developed country so the lifestyle is more stable, so people aren't just up and quitting their job at every opportunity, people care about things at work more than just their salary. Salaries are a much bigger expense for companies than in a developing country so they will be more choosey here. But I know lots of non-european immigrants who have jobs and are enjoying Australia. The ease of finding a job is completely dependent on the industry you are in. Since I'm a Canadian of european descent, I can't speak too much about racism. But I will say even myself it took time to make local friends, because they all grew up here, and had their circle of schoole mates, so while they were definitely friendly, they weren't very interested in opening up new friendships. You will notice the negatives more, because its new, compared to any negatives you know about your old country, because you were used to them.
Hope that helps out.
You are right! I think a decent job will cut negatives and worries into half I heard rent is uber expensive and so is everything else. In my mind I'd need a job paying me at least a 7K per month to afford a living for my family of four. I'm into IT project/program management with a PMP cert and into service delivery space. I've worked for one mid size firm for all the 12 years of my work life primarily with one big UK client in which the SPOC was an Aussie and me on this side became a good friends over time. Dont know if I can leverage that exp to get a job before landing
Is getting a 7K a month salary difficult? I seriously dont want to do the odd jobs flippin burgers or delivering pizzas not that they are less in any way but need a more stable source of income...

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I uploaded a salary guide in one of my posts. You can get an idea of the pay range for your industry. Consider the lowest number the salary of a graduate, and the highest number for someone with 20+ years experience, you can then estimate based on your experience.

I would also try to contact an Australian recruiter. They never charge the employee, but charge the employer a certain fee of your first year salary. I also think maybe if you don't have Australian experience or education, if the interviewer asks for your desired salary, you may need to offer them a slightly lower salary like 5% less than the average for your experience to offset the lack of local experience, then prove to them on the job you can do the work just as well. And then the next year ask for the industry average. And but transparent of how you came up with the number. Say you want a fair salary in line with the industry, but you know you have less local experience, and that's how you came up with $xxxxx annual salary. Just remember the salary package also includes the 9.5% your employer will put into your superannuation retirement, so your actual salary will be 9.5% of your package, and then minus taxes.

I'd recommend either before you get to Australia or soon after, join as a member of Engineers Australia if you can afford it, so you can put that on your resume. It's a bit meaningless, but it does show you are interested in professional development and paying attention to the Engineering industry in Australia.
Also see after you arrive if there are some easy short courses that you could get certificates on that are related to your industry or some kind professional development.

It will do a few things:
1) shows employers your interested in your own professional development
2) show initiative
3) you're learning about the australia industry
4) you'e also interacting with australians before starting a job

All of these things will make you look less "fresh off the boat".

My next post I will probably make one about job interview strategies.

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You are right! I think a decent job will cut negatives and worries into half I heard rent is uber expensive and so is everything else. In my mind I'd need a job paying me at least a 7K per month to afford a living for my family of four. I'm into IT project/program management with a PMP cert and into service delivery space. I've worked for one mid size firm for all the 12 years of my work life primarily with one big UK client in which the SPOC was an Aussie and me on this side became a good friends over time. Dont know if I can leverage that exp to get a job before landing
Is getting a 7K a month salary difficult? I seriously dont want to do the odd jobs flippin burgers or delivering pizzas not that they are less in any way but need a more stable source of income...

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These videos don't directly deal with moving to Australia, but can help you to adjust your mind about making decisions:

https://www.facebook.com/JayShettyIW...1266317036712/
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You are right! I think a decent job will cut negatives and worries into half I heard rent is uber expensive and so is everything else. In my mind I'd need a job paying me at least a 7K per month to afford a living for my family of four. I'm into IT project/program management with a PMP cert and into service delivery space. I've worked for one mid size firm for all the 12 years of my work life primarily with one big UK client in which the SPOC was an Aussie and me on this side became a good friends over time. Dont know if I can leverage that exp to get a job before landing
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https://www.facebook.com/JayShettyIW...0936021067436/
Thanks for the motivation. Let's see what's in store. Australia is a truly expensive place to settle in that's all I know and with no job in hand you are looking at the mountain besides the frustration of leaving you comfort zone. But I need a change for sure and this could be it.

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Put it this way, life is full of changes. We cannot predict the outcomes that the future brings, we can make plan, but we can't control everything ahead of time, we have to manage things as they happen.
Put it this way,
You come to Australia, and it disappoints you. So you assume since your life in India was better than Australia, it would have stayed just as good in India. But let's say you stayed in India, and that choice leds you in the future to maybe losing your job, or you got injured and could never work again for the rest of your life to support your family, or your wife or children get sick and need expensive surgery or medicine.

Just because your choice appears wrong, doesn't mean the alternative would have guaranteed better success as you can't see the future of that choice.
I was suffering a lot of anxiety and depression because I was obsessing over try to decide on every right choice ahead of time and try to predict every outcome.

I've been reading about human psychology, and have learned that we as humans worry about negative outcomes, because we are automatically optimistic in outmind believing the future should always be better. This optimism means bad feelings/negative emotions feel worse for longer, and good feelings don't ever feel equally as good in the same amount for as long. So its natural to latch on to the worst case scenarios you hear. I was doing the same with my PR applications. Hearing the people waiting for 2 years, or got rejected led me to not sleeping at night working what it would mean for my future if I didn't get to go back to Australia, I was pinning all my future happiness on that outcome to get my PR.

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Thanks for the motivation. Let's see what's in store. Australia is a truly expensive place to settle in that's all I know and with no job in hand you are looking at the mountain besides the frustration of leaving you comfort zone. But I need a change for sure and this could be it.
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Put it this way, life is full of changes. We cannot predict the outcomes that the future brings, we can make plan, but we can't control everything ahead of time, we have to manage things as they happen.
Put it this way,
You come to Australia, and it disappoints you. So you assume since your life in India was better than Australia, it would have stayed just as good in India. But let's say you stayed in India, and that choice leds you in the future to maybe losing your job, or you got injured and could never work again for the rest of your life to support your family, or your wife or children get sick and need expensive surgery or medicine.

Just because your choice appears wrong, doesn't mean the alternative would have guaranteed better success as you can't see the future of that choice.
I was suffering a lot of anxiety and depression because I was obsessing over try to decide on every right choice ahead of time and try to predict every outcome.

I've been reading about human psychology, and have learned that we as humans worry about negative outcomes, because we are automatically optimistic in outmind believing the future should always be better. This optimism means bad feelings/negative emotions feel worse for longer, and good feelings don't ever feel equally as good in the same amount for as long. So its natural to latch on to the worst case scenarios you hear. I was doing the same with my PR applications. Hearing the people waiting for 2 years, or got rejected led me to not sleeping at night working what it would mean for my future if I didn't get to go back to Australia, I was pinning all my future happiness on that outcome to get my PR.
O so true my friend, spot on! This line fits me perfectly...

"I was suffering a lot of anxiety and depression because I was obsessing over try to decide on every right choice ahead of time and try to predict every outcome."

I am not exactly suffering with anxiety or ever did but I try to be a miser in my decisions and search for precision all the time so that I win and if not I at least dont lose. This miserliness in decision making has made me weak that I've confined myself in shackles that dont exist. I'm not happy in my current job but when I think about losing it then I build a ton of worst case scenarios with fixed expenses such as rent, kids edu, other things to maintain this standard of living. This makes me go back to my shell my comfort zone, I have a big fear of unknown and want to take calculative steps in life that is the reason why I think I havent achieved what I could've in life but I dont regret.
Having read your response I feel I am not the only one who thinks this way and letting go of the shackles is the best way forward and I am ready.
Your post made me feel good.
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Thanks.

What I've also found is that feelings of obsessive worry happen when our minds have too much time on it's hands to think over past and current events you can't really change. You end up worrying because you're not in any position to deal with those future events.
I've found that the feelings associated with worrying about future events are worse than the feelings I have when those bad events happen. I also find the worrying can lead you to subconsciously sabotaging yourself into making those bad events come true.

Put it this way, you have a job, but you worry about losing it (even though nothing it telling you that you're going to lose your job). You have a job, so there's nothing you can do to alleviate the worry.

But let's say the next day you do lose your job... horrible and sad, but what would you do? well you'd have things to do to deal with the worry of now not having a job, you'd be updating your resume, looking for jobs, going to interviews, making a budget to save your money until you find work again.

Hope you understand what I mean.

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O so true my friend, spot on! This line fits me perfectly...

"I was suffering a lot of anxiety and depression because I was obsessing over try to decide on every right choice ahead of time and try to predict every outcome."

I am not exactly suffering with anxiety or ever did but I try to be a miser in my decisions and search for precision all the time so that I win and if not I at least dont lose. This miserliness in decision making has made me weak that I've confined myself in shackles that dont exist. I'm not happy in my current job but when I think about losing it then I build a ton of worst case scenarios with fixed expenses such as rent, kids edu, other things to maintain this standard of living. This makes me go back to my shell my comfort zone, I have a big fear of unknown and want to take calculative steps in life that is the reason why I think I havent achieved what I could've in life but I dont regret.
Having read your response I feel I am not the only one who thinks this way and letting go of the shackles is the best way forward and I am ready.
Your post made me feel good.
Thanks loads.
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Thanks.

What I've also found is that feelings of obsessive worry happen when our minds have too much time on it's hands to think over past and current events you can't really change. You end up worrying because you're not in any position to deal with those future events.
I've found that the feelings associated with worrying about future events are worse than the feelings I have when those bad events happen. I also find the worrying can lead you to subconsciously sabotaging yourself into making those bad events come true.

Put it this way, you have a job, but you worry about losing it (even though nothing it telling you that you're going to lose your job). You have a job, so there's nothing you can do to alleviate the worry.

But let's say the next day you do lose your job... horrible and sad, but what would you do? well you'd have things to do to deal with the worry of now not having a job, you'd be updating your resume, looking for jobs, going to interviews, making a budget to save your money until you find work again.

Hope you understand what I mean.
Absolutely!
Also, if you have suffered in your recent past and have no financial backing for you and family your fears do multiply. However, you are right in saying that the worries about them now are far more than they would be if they really come up. Taking the bull bu its horns is still easier than thinking that a bull with big horns might be coming searching for you
For now, I'm trying not to think too much and too far ahead. Change can only do good things to you.
And who knows, we might have a good job and other things waiting for us out there and we are dwelling in our fears and worries

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