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Old 13th January 2020, 01:50 PM
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And like so many surveys that we see here in the forum, what exactly constitutes a high or low level of democracy. The type of elections or governance may be strictly "democratic" but if a jerk or crazy person gets elected, then all bets are off.
That succinctly explains why the US is not a democracy. Despite what the voters vote for, the Electoral College can sweep it all away and select the "jerk or crazy person" to be President.

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That succinctly explains why the US is not a democracy. Despite what the voters vote for, the Electoral College can sweep it all away and select the "jerk or crazy person" to be President.
I've always thought it "odd" (to say the least) that while the Founding Fathers claimed to be so anxious to avoid a Parliamentary System, the Electoral College resembles nothing else so much as a Parliamentary System.

Basically the Electoral College came about because the FF knew that you can't trust "the people" to choose wisely.

Sometimes you can't win for losing....

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And like so many surveys that we see here in the forum, what exactly constitutes a high or low level of democracy. The type of elections or governance may be strictly "democratic" but if a jerk or crazy person gets elected, then all bets are off.
Well, you will have to delve into the report, though bear in mind that there are time lags associated with all reports, but if you delve into it you will see scores. Just takes a bit of effort on your part

The next report will undoubtedly score France lower, because I believe the underlying principle is human rights (and isn't that what democracy is all about?). I myself need to delver further because the whole election process impacts human rights - and definitely not just in the US because there are not dissimilar arrangement in other democracies, especially federal democracies and including Australia (in case you hadn't noticed). And I also know a lot about the real but hidden process behind electoral boundary changes in Australia, but not elsewhere.

I have the strong impression that democracy is becoming ever more now narrowed.

Oops, I see I forgot to include the link - my apologies, here it is https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed...en-to-narrowed. It is NOT one of those best country to live in reports

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Anyone else here read "Leviathan" by Thomas Hobbes? The proposition is that the "best" form of government is a "benevolent dictator" combined with a "social contract." Hobbes makes a very convincing case, however where are you going to find such a benevolent dictator for each country? (And then there is the little issue of "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.")

But honestly, you can check the definition of a "Republic" but you'd be hard pressed to find any current government that is purely a "Republic" or a "Democracy" or any other technical political term.
I read it some years ago. I must download and read it again.

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There is to the best of my knowledge no perfect version of democracy on earth. (If you think there is, don't hesitate to let me know, but my formal studies of and research into the issue indicate otherwise. An example would be a fantastic opportunity for a thesis.)

Some are better than others in some ways, but they all leave something to be desired.

Here's a report which may be of interest to some - it provides a link to the 2019 Civicus Monitor - scroll down to view a map indicating the level of democracy across the 196 countries monitored, you will see that France, the UK, the US and Australia (amongst others) are all considered to have narrowed democracies. Countries with open democracies include Canada, ROI, Sweden, Iceland, New Zealand…..
Have you a link to that report please?

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Have you a link to that report please?
See post 13 on this thread

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