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Old 16th January 2020, 06:05 PM
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I thought the article was a bit disappointing - only 100 people as you say, and not a proper survey - more like a bunch of anecdotes.

But to be fair, I don't think it pretended to be representative of the whole community, nor any kind of statistical survey. It was just a 'bunch of anecdotes' that together created enough of a human interest story for readers who were not aware of the personal implications of Brexit for people living in the EU, in this case in France.

But as so often, I frothed at the mouth at the misleading headline.
The headline is not misleading at all, now if the headline had stated 'Brexit deepening inequalities for all UK nationals in France' then that would be misleading but it doesn't say that.

It doesn't matter if it's a few hundred or a few thousand that are affected they are among the UK nationals in France for whom inequalities are deepening.
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I have a slightly different take on the headline.

There always have been and always will be "inequalities" among UK nationals (or any foreigners) in France. As we have discussed here any number of times, some foreigners play by the rules and others do their best to skirt the rules.

Those who like living in France but who duck back to the UK to take advantage of the NHS or who arrange things so as to continue paying taxes in the UK definitely will feel some "inequalities" if they choose to remain in France after skirting the law for however many years.

And yes, those who have never learned enough French to get by (sorry, Steve - not just Brits, but any foreigner) are going to feel some "inequality" here in France when confronted with the need to deal with the local administration.

An elderly French person living on a meager pension in a house that is in dire need of repairs may not be in the same situation as a British retiree who can't afford to move back to the UK, but said French person doesn't have any palatable options either particularly if they don't have any family in France.

There are people of all nationalities who are suffering from "inequalities" - whether of their own making or by simply falling between the cracks in the system. Life is unfair.
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I wouldn't try going into the prefecture on Feb 2nd or 3rd or even that first week of February. It may take a while for the local prefecture to figure out how they are going to manage the "transition" so they'll tell you to come back later.

This is where taking French nationality becomes a really viable option (well, ok, you'd have to push yourself a bit on your French). And, in your case, you wouldn't even have to give up your British nationality. In Germany, there has been something of a queue of Brits giving up their British nationality so they could take German nationality.
Although I have said that from the begining of Feb of this year I will take the necessary steps I will of course wait till the process has been stated as regards people such as myself who already hold a CDS as I will have a year to exchange it and the French authorities will quite rightly be giving priority to those UK Citizens who do NOT as yet have a CDS. I meant to say that I will put myself in a state of readiness to exchange it as soon as that is open to me and not let the grass grown under my feet.

As for French Nationality yes, I would really like to have that but I still find spoken French incomprehensible owing to cadence, speed and accent of the person's speech in many cases. If could find a French tution business that would teach me by the old "school" didactic method, rote learning of Conjugations, written homework assignments etc I would be delighted but the modern "Role Playing" methodology doesn't work for me. I have tried it both paid for by my employer and thereafter financed by myself but it was an abject failure. At work I am ok as being employed in an Aviation related industry all of our paperwork is in English and all of the workforce have to have a set minimum level of English capability. Outside of work I shop in supermarkets and have my grocery shopping delivered to my home by Carrefour and of course there is good old Amazon for other items. Without using the "I" word I don't do "Social" so my lack of capability in oral and aural French does not adversely affect my non-working life as it would a more gregarious person. There is a branch of Berlitz across the road from my place of work and I may call in there to enquire if they have a teaching method that would suit an old guy like me (aged 66) who was taught that way in school 50 years ago.

As for Nationality, yes were I able to cross the linguistic pons asinorum I would apply for French Nationality and the only issue that wouild cause me to retain the British one would be the State Old Age Pension I now receive and for which I have contributed for more than 40 years via National Insurance Contributions as I am no longer happy with the UK, especially not since 12th Dec 2019. I have no property nor investments there and a handful of close friends being my only connection now. Language apart I am far happier in France, like the French way of life, and call France home.
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I don't do "Social" so my lack of capability in oral and aural French does not adversely affect my non-working life as it would a more gregarious person.
I know you have stated this several times here, and I respect your right to live your life as you please. However, I would just point out that your insistence on "old fashioned teaching methods" condemns you to an academic knowledge of French rather than the ability to actually use the language in daily life.

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Note that there is nothing in there about conjugation of verbs or use of "proper" grammar. It's all about comprehension and communication of basic facts and ideas.

It's not a matter of taking more classes, but rather in getting out there and getting used to using the language (even if not 100% correctly). And maybe as an introvert, you just aren't ever going to be able to pass the test at the B1 level. Fine, that's your choice.

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yes were I able to cross the linguistic pons asinorum I would apply for French Nationality and the only issue that wouild cause me to retain the British one would be the State Old Age Pension I now receive...
Fortunately, there is no need for you to renounce your British nationality, even if you do ultimately take French nationality. And even if you did for any reason, it shouldn't affect your UK pension. It's only an issue for those Brits living in Germany or Austria - the two countries I'm aware of that will not permit you to retain your "old" nationality if you take theirs. (There may well be others in Europe.)
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The language requirements for French nationality will change somewhat in April -requiring certified B1 written and oral French, plus some of the exemptions (I don't know which) will disappear.

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The language requirements for French nationality will change somewhat in April -requiring certified B1 written and oral French, plus some of the exemptions (I don't know which) will disappear.
So for me the barrier will be even higher. Still, it's up to France to set its own criteria and as long as I have my CDS I will be happy. It expires in Jan 2029 and I doubt I will see 76 years of age.

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Interviewing 100 people IS in-depth reporting.

Deal with it.
100 out of 200,000? In depth? don't make me laugh.

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So for me the barrier will be even higher. Still, it's up to France to set its own criteria and as long as I have my CDS I will be happy. It expires in Jan 2029 and I doubt I will see 76 years of age.
As I said, though, I don't know which exceptions have been removed.

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