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Old 4th January 2020, 12:06 PM
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...If Brexit goes tÓts up...
And, there is the problem in a nutshell. The whole discussion about Brexit has been framed from a U.K. centric point of view. Will Brexit be good for Britain, or will it be bad. Hey Britain, it is t just about you. Oddly, there has been a tacit recognition from the Leavers that Brexit will be bad for (the rest of) Europe, and they not in,y donít care, they seem to find that a good thing.

Brexit is bad, whether Britain does better, or not. The impacts on Europe will be felt, and the best we can hope for is that they will be mild. There is no good that can come for an EU without the U.K.

So, maybe smegís alpine ski microcosm really is a good, even if somewhat flawed, test case for a post Brexit world.
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As I watch from the sidelines, I see two separate conversations here masked as a single argument. I think both Tigerlillie and VERITE are making clear, salient and arguably accurate points. The problem is that, other than both being reflections on the impacts of Brexit, they are orthogonal to each other. Neither position competes with nor supports the other. It is a bit like one argument that says it's raining while the other claims no, it's cold.

VERITE is discussing the practical aspects of being in, or out of, the EU. What can one do, how will they do it, what will, in practical terms, change: Driver's license, health care, taxes, residence permits, banking, etc. She is, in my view, correct when she states "We have no choice but to make the best of it."

Tigerlillie, on the other hand, is speaking of how Brexit feels to her. In a sense it is like a loss of innocence and hope, a rude awakening from what we thought was going to be a better world. A world in which the highest value is placed on what is best for me and ignores what is best for us, or even who are the we in "we."

I am not just a yank from far away shores. I took out a student loan in the 60's and immediately dropped out of school, bought a way way "student" fare to some far-away place called Europe, packed my backpack and headed off to the unknown. Over the course of the next several years I lived in the U.K. and Germany, learned German, held several jobs and watch the UK join the EU. I was there.

Now retired in France, I recognize both the practical issues of a shrinking multi-national world, and the emotional issues of a generation of flower children whose dreams which started with The Times they are a Changin' are ending with an unspeakable horror in the Whitehouse.

In this case, I think there is room in the tent for both points of view being postulated here, and probably a few more. I also suggest this thread has moved way past smeggie goes to the slopes and, should it be continued, perhaps deserves its own thread.
Your analysis is interesting, accurate and very perceptive. Itís true that having lived in France for so long I tend to see things from a French point of view and no longer feel the deep attachment to the uk that others have. So I feel more concerned with the practical aspects of Brexit than with the sense of loss of a European identity.

But clearly for others the loss is very real and of course any loss, whether it be a person, object or abstract notion, has to be mourned before it is possible to move forward.

The fact that others are happy with this loss because they brought it about, makes the process more difficult and I think it will be a very long time before the wound heals. The anger and frustration are still very great.
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Don't get me started about the drinking and loutish behaviour at night
At your age ?

Don't you think it's time you stopped all that ?
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Unless British skiers are planning on skiing for longer than 90 days at a stretch, it's not going to make a difference. However, they'd better do it quick because the snow is disappearing...best to get into water skiing, what with the oceans rising and all.

But I am a little confused: Smeg doesn't want to ski with Brits or eat with them, but he is against Brexit? Or is he for it? I can't remember.

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Sorry to be late to the party, but the Anglification of ski resorts is nothing new. I remember 20 years or so ago going into a bar in Meribel and ordering a drink in French. The Aussie barman spoke not a word of French. We stopped going to the big 'international' resorts soon after.

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