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Smeg 3rd December 2019 04:50 PM

Grève du 5 décembre
 
I can't wait.

Popcorn and BFM TV for me.

Have you anything planned for the biggest bank holiday in France ?

Edit..this was a Bistro thread...can someone move it.

EverHopeful 3rd December 2019 05:02 PM

I wondered when you would post about it. What are your views on this strike, Smeg?

Smeg 3rd December 2019 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EverHopeful (Post 15002186)
I wondered when you would post about it. What are your views on this strike, Smeg?


The country will grind to a halt and get smashed up. It is going to cost the French economy millions. The strike will achieve nothing.

Everyone is a loser.

No different to every other yearly strike.

But look on the bright side, my son gets a day off school :D

Peasant 3rd December 2019 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smeg (Post 15002174)
I can't wait.

Popcorn and BFM TV for me.

What IS your point?

Bevdeforges 3rd December 2019 08:31 PM

Agree that this definitely belongs in the Bistro, so your wish..... etc. etc.

This is going to be an "interesting" one (in many senses of the term). It sounds as if most places are planning on a complete shut down.

But oddly enough, heard on the radio this morning that the government is actually putting out adverts for their side of things. (A first!) Basically an ad promoting the idea of unifying and making a more equitable retirement system for everyone.

Thursday will still be a zoo - but the idea of actually debating the ideas in the public space for a change? Verrry interesting.

EverHopeful 3rd December 2019 08:37 PM

I thought they held a Great Debate last year and debated ideas in the public space, but perhaps I was dreaming.

Bevdeforges 3rd December 2019 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EverHopeful (Post 15002280)
I thought they held a Great Debate last year and debated ideas in the public space, but perhaps I was dreaming.

As far as I know, I don't think they had issued this particular proposal, nor the implementation plans. And I'd like to hear what the strikers have to say about why they aren't interested in making the pension system more egalitarian.

I keep thinking that the US system raised the full retirement age to 67 in increments. But the plan for this was announced way back in the mid 1980s, so those of us who had to wait until 66 (instead of 65) to retire certainly had plenty of warning. They do seem to make these changes here to the system somewhat more rapidly - I was surprised to find that I had to wait until age 65 plus 4 months (I think it was now). The sheer number of different retirement plans here makes things far more complicated than they have to be. But then again, a nice explanation of how this new (and improved?) system would work might be a good start.

EverHopeful 3rd December 2019 09:48 PM

Well, I for one would like to know what the government really has in mind, given it's a constantly shifting scenario, with lots of possibilities on what they say might be done, and even the Ministers don't seem to agree on what it's all about. The age pivot, BTW, was only introduced into the discussion recently, apparently they just fancied dropping in a hand grenade. It's hardly surprising that the French are anxious, angry, etc. Worse still, workers like teachers have lost trust and are very suspicious of the compensation they are told they will receive. Have you noticed that every day that passes turns up another issue for one group of workers or another, including in the private sector. And yes, they certainly do change the pension age here at what many of us would consider the speed of light. Oh and I think that just today there was something else that in practice meant that everyone as of now (well probably 1 January) will have to work a bit longer, including those who are within 5 years of retirement and were told that they would not be affected. How on earth is anyone supposed to understand or put up with all this?

Smeg 4th December 2019 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peasant (Post 15002240)
What IS your point?

I will be at home looking after children when they should be at school.

Did you know that parents are being charged in excess of 100 euros for the day for babysitters to look after their children. Babysitters are not on strike. LOL.

Anyway, it is going to be non-stop BFM coverage all day so I might as well have the telly on. I reckon the fights will kick off after lunch. It is usually after lunch.

Shame really, because Ronnie o Sullivan is playing tomorrow afternoon.

Bevdeforges 4th December 2019 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smeg (Post 15002494)
Did you know that parents are being charged in excess of 100 euros for the day for babysitters to look after their children. Babysitters are not on strike. LOL.

Ah, but will the babysitters declare all that extra income?

There was recently a story in the news about some poor farmer who had to "support two" (I suppose that includes his wife) on a monthly pension of only 175€. However, if you assume that the pension amount is, in any case, a function of how much one paid in (based on how much income one declared in the first place) and how long one worked (and paid in), something doesn't compute. My (French) husband's first thought was that the guy probably wasn't declaring whatever income he was living on during his working career - something that used to be a sort of "tradition" amongst farmers and other "independents" here in France.

I suppose what most folks out there really want to know is how the proposed changes will affect their pensions - and at the moment, certain groups only know that their "privileged" status is going to be done away with, and that's why the prospect of any change is so terrifying.


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