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The Brexit can has been kicked down the road yet again, so let's turn our knives to the impeachment juggernaut. It still amazes me that not a single Republican had the cajones to vote even for the process. If they had any respect for the Constitution or for the separation of and equality of the three branches of government, you would think they would vote simply for airing it all in public, even if they somehow can delude themselves that Cheeto is innocent of corruption.

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I'm not normally into conspiracy theories, but the way the Republicans in Congress are acting lately, I have to believe that there is something being held over the lot of them to make them toe the line. It's just not natural for everyone in the party to vote as a solid block like that without any hold outs.
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I was reading somewhere that most of them are less popular in their districts than Cheeto is, so that is why they hesitate to call out that the emperor is nekkid.

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They are in huge trouble, a lot of them, in their general elections in 2020, because most people who are not Republicans are out of patience with Trump (if they even supported him at any point)--but to get to the general election they have to win their Republican primaries and Trump has proved that he is popular enough with Republicans to be able to tell Republicans to vote for their primary opponents and likely prevent the current officeholders from winning the primary.

Plus he controls a whole lot of election-advertising cash that he can send along to whoever he is happy with.

Of course some states are so very Republican that the general election is not a concern--whoever wins the Republican primary, unless they are pretty convincingly a child molester or something like that, is going to win the general election.

We just have to hope that public opinion even among Republicans starts to swing against Trump soon so that the House and the Senate Republicans will suddenly magically realize how awful he is and vote against him!

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What's sad in all this is that the Founding Fathers specifically rejected the Parliamentary system so that it would be possible for the workers, peasants and soldiers to elect representatives from whatever party - precisely to exercise checks and balances over the President - rather than giving the representatives the power to elect the President from the dominant party. It was the English Parliamentary system that they were specifically trying to avoid.
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There is an excellent article in the New York Times today about Cheeto and Twitter, which helps those of us not among the twatterati understand how it works and how algorithms are being gamed and our democracies are being gamed: In Trump’s Twitter Feed: Conspiracy-Mongers, Racists and Spies https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...formation.html

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What's sad in all this is that the Founding Fathers specifically rejected the Parliamentary system so that it would be possible for the workers, peasants and soldiers to elect representatives from whatever party - precisely to exercise checks and balances over the President - rather than giving the representatives the power to elect the President from the dominant party. It was the English Parliamentary system that they were specifically trying to avoid.
Well John Bercow is now available as Speaker, if the Americans are dissatisfied with their procedures and wish to return to the
English Parliamentary system.

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I think John Bercow is just terrific, but we'll stick with Nancy Pelosi till the impeachment is done. However, he would be a very welcome replacement for McConnell in the Senate.
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I think John Bercow is just terrific, but we'll stick with Nancy Pelosi till the impeachment is done. However, he would be a very welcome replacement for McConnell in the Senate.
It's funny, but as I've been watching the live coverage of the Brexit debates and votes in Parliament, I keep thinking how BORING the speechifying in the US Congress is by comparison. And can you imagine Carrot-face addressing the House every week for President's questions? (Actually, he'd probably pop a blood vessel first time out with direct heckling like the PM gets in Parliament.)

Don't forget, though, that the Speaker of the House and the Majority Leader of the Senate are both elected representatives of their respective district or state. Hence a big push on at the moment to vote McConnell out of office next year when his term is up.

Here's hoping the televised open hearings will be as entertaining as anticipated.
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Where's Sam Ervin when you need him? And Barbara Jordan? 😢

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