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Old 6th December 2019, 09:51 AM
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Sadly, it seems like impeachment will fail whether it passes or not...
The impeachment (aka an indictment) in the House of Representatives is going to happen. The conviction in the Senate is a long shot, unless enough Republicans in the Senate grow a pair.

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The impeachment (aka an indictment) in the House of Representatives is going to happen. The conviction in the Senate is a long shot, unless enough Republicans in the Senate grow a pair.
I don't disagree that impeachment is going to happen, but whether it will achieve the end of removing Donald Trump from office is what I am less bullish about. Trump, the Republicans, and their media arm are already spinning this whole debacle to their advantage or at least not to their disadvantage, as polling seems to indicate. So when I say that impeachment will fail, I mean that it will ultimately work in Donald Trump's favor. Not a good thing--just like the fact that he 'could shoot someone dead on Fifth Avenue and not drop in the polls'--but a true thing.
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A great many people do only read headlines, just as a great many people only listen to sound bytes. I believe that is primarily because, doing more than that takes both time and effort (the effort is both in seeking to understand, reflecting on an issue and reaching a point of view on the issue and arguably the article or broadcast). Not to mention that many people do not find that process in any way pleasurable.

Now I'll read the article

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The trouble is reading complete articles takes so long. If I only read a fraction of the articles that arrive in my inbox it takes an hour or even an hour and a half and I am a fairly fast reader and usually have nothing more pressing.

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Irrespective of the vote, there is always the Electoral College ...

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The trouble is reading complete articles takes so long. If I only read a fraction of the articles that arrive in my inbox it takes an hour or even an hour and a half and I am a fairly fast reader and usually have nothing more pressing.
That's fair enough.
But since headlines can't be taken at face value, if one isn't going to read an article one shouldn't take any notice of the headline either. If I saw a headline that said BALDILOCKS ACCUSED OF HAVING SMELLY FEET and the article went on to say that Baldi had been accused but had gone on to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that it was in fact Mrs Baldi's feet that hum, the headline whilst being factually correct would have misled me in thinking for evermore that your feet stink.
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I don't disagree that impeachment is going to happen, but whether it will achieve the end of removing Donald Trump from office is what I am less bullish about.
Two American Presidents (Johnson and Clinton) have been impeached (Nixon resigned before the House could vote on it) and neither was convicted by the Senate.

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Irrespective of the vote, there is always the Electoral College ...
And we've seen how well THAT works...

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So it has been passed and now goes to the Senate, where the Republicans will just vote it down. The papers say Mitch McConnell has been "working with the president" on a strategy to defend him or otherwise get past it. Which is really shocking because the Senate is supposed to judge the indictment, not palsy-walsy with the accused. Would you have a judge working with a murder defendant on a defense strategy while the DA is working on putting together the prosecution's case? Of course not. It is appalling.

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Absolutely no argument with that evaluation. Moscow Mitch is clearly committed to easing the way for his lord and master. The fact that there is little or no outrage (in the French sense of taking it to the streets) reflects really badly on the American people.

You can almost excuse the UK election result based on how sick and tired everyone has gotten of the back and forth dance on Brexit. But next November there will be no excuse whatsoever when the big orange baby wins re-election.

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I know there are some protests being organized nationwide because I received notice of a local one via email. But it will definitely not be a massive thing like the French strikes or even the inauguration day protests.

It surprised me yesterday about 5 PM when I was driving down one of the "main drags" in town to see a group of picketers supporting Trump at a major intersection. Not a big group, only about a dozen people and a few signs. And the occasional person honking their horn in support as they drove past the group.

Honestly I think most Americans are just exhausted by this whole thing at this point. Trump has amped up the circus factor with outrage after outrage and at by now really no outrage is left in their outrage tanks! For most Americans. For me, every time I think my outrage has been exhausted I learn about some more incredibly awful thing and get outraged all over again. I will never understand how so many people can just shrug their shoulders about all this.

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