Expat Forum For People Moving Overseas And Living Abroad

Expat Forum For People Moving Overseas And Living Abroad (https://www.expatforum.com/expats/)
-   Le Bistro (https://www.expatforum.com/expats/le-bistro/)
-   -   The Impeachment Thread (https://www.expatforum.com/expats/le-bistro/1490390-impeachment-thread.html)

Tigerlillie 14th November 2019 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarbTF (Post 14989126)
I've been trying to bring myself to watch Fox News to see how they are presenting the hearings, but so far I just haven't been able to stomach the thought. It seems as if even they would have a hard time presenting it in a way that looked favorable to Trump and his Republican lapdogs.

Fox news is banned in the UK fortunately.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41887613

Horsa 20th November 2019 06:43 PM

Having watched him talk to the press today I'd have to question if he's competent to be impeached.

ChezCheese:) 20th November 2019 06:51 PM

Look at the note Cheeto is holding in this article https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-quid-pro-quo/. Then watch this clip from Sondland's testimony here: https://youtu.be/e_c17vxrPWQ.

EuroTrash 5th December 2019 01:56 PM

So apparently it is going ahead.
Any bets on the likely outcome?
I would love to see Trump and Johnson chewed up and spat out together. It would restore my faith in a lot of things. Even just one of them would be good. Unfortunately I don't have much hope because a) they are both survivors against all the odds and b) people really do seem to be going batshit crazy, is it something in the water or what?

BarbTF 5th December 2019 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EuroTrash (Post 15003322)
So apparently it is going ahead.
Any bets on the likely outcome?
I would love to see Trump and Johnson chewed up and spat out together. It would restore my faith in a lot of things. Even just one of them would be good. Unfortunately I don't have much hope because a) they are both survivors against all the odds and b) people really do seem to be going batshit crazy, is it something in the water or what?

I am not hopeful. I think we are stuck with both of them. In the US it seems to be a combination of "tear it all down" attitude from people who feel like the whole system is a big mess and support Trump as a disruptor, and those who will put up with anything as long as their 401K retirement investment balances are going up because the stock/bond markets are going up.

I think the only real hope for getting the impeachment to be successful is if something big crashes between now and the Senate vote on it--like the stock market completely tanks or North Korea lands a nuke in Los Angeles. Not sure if that would be better or worse for the average person than keeping Trump in office...

It is interesting to watch and wonder as an outsider how BJ is managing to seemingly get the majority of Brits on his side. Is it because they hate Corbyn more? It's as if everyone in Britain suddenly starting taking valium and just chilled out about everything. Maybe THAT's what's in the water!

Bevdeforges 5th December 2019 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EuroTrash (Post 15003322)
So apparently it is going ahead.
Any bets on the likely outcome?
I would love to see Trump and Johnson chewed up and spat out together. It would restore my faith in a lot of things. Even just one of them would be good. Unfortunately I don't have much hope because a) they are both survivors against all the odds and b) people really do seem to be going batshit crazy, is it something in the water or what?

I do think that people are going batshit crazy.

But one thing to know with the impeachment thing is that Trump will pretty much definitely be impeached - at the moment the question is over just exactly which charges they'll impeach him over. But all that means is that there will be a trial in the Senate.

Given the Republican majority in the Senate and the "circle the wagons" mentality (plus I have to believe that there has been some threat made against anyone who would dare to break rank with the Tribe), it's unlikely he'll be convicted and removed from office. However, who knows what may turn up in the coming weeks that might sway public opinion and thus possibly convince a few Republicans to reconsider their votes? And then who knows what the Russians may do to muck around with the elections next year?

Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy flight!

Smeg 5th December 2019 02:53 PM

I loved the video of everyone taking the pīss out of him at the Nato summit.

Even Princess Anne joined in :D

The man (I mean goat) is toast.

EuroTrash 5th December 2019 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarbTF (Post 15003328)
It is interesting to watch and wonder as an outsider how BJ is managing to seemingly get the majority of Brits on his side. Is it because they hate Corbyn more? It's as if everyone in Britain suddenly starting taking valium and just chilled out about everything. Maybe THAT's what's in the water!

,
You might well ask; I suppose you could say I'm an insider and I wonder too. But if I had to suggest reasons I would say it's because people believe what they read in the media; the reason they believe it is because people in the UK seem to have lost the ability to be critical, question what they hear and read, analyse and assess and do their own research; and the reason it's a problem is because the media is owned by people with a vested interest and churns out biased crap designed to manipulate people. And it works. The EU has spotted this, they've several time remarked on the role played by the UK media, but the Brits at home can't seem to see it, they just carry on reading their favourite tabloid and regurgitating what they've read.

Bevdeforges 5th December 2019 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smeg (Post 15003348)
I loved the video of everyone taking the pīss out of him at the Nato summit.

Even Princess Anne joined in :D

The man (I mean goat) is toast.

Hell, even BORIS joined in! (Or at least got a good laugh out of what Trudeau and Macron were joking about.) It is kind of funny that there are so many articles out there about how Boris' people had to tell Trump's people that they couldn't have a one-on-one meeting this time because it would cost Boris votes.

Also, it must have just killed Trump NOT to say anything about the elections in the UK next week. Poor baby obviously did NOT have a good trip and I'm not sure flying off back home in a huff to a place where they're now ready to impeach him is going to make things any better for him.

ChezCheese:) 5th December 2019 03:05 PM

It's really amazing to see the Republicans attck the witnesses, with seemingly no interest in finding out the truth or evaluating the evidence. One of the rabid attackers, I'm not sure which one -- Gaetz or Jordan maybe, I was listening to it on the radio -- was enumerating various instances of Democrat presidents' actions or overreach and asking the legal scholars if this or that would be impeachable. He was trying to make the case that if those instances were not prosecuted, then therefore this instance was not, and that if those were, then every president had done something impeachable. And I'm thinking, yeah, many of them were impeachable, and should have been called to account. And that for precisely this reason Republicans should vote for impeachment (or at least weigh the evidence properly), because they'll want to keep the next Democrat president in line, too.

There was one Republican, the only black Republican in the House, from Texas, I believe, who actually gave a measured speech, saying that the eveidence was disturbing and proved behaviour far below the standard to which we exoect a president to adhere. Or something like that, but that he was as yet unconvinced it was at an impeachable level, or that more investigation was required. That's the kind of dissenting opinion I can accept.

But this business of "You're not impartial because you did not support our guy, therefore nothing you say has any validity" is just so un-American.


All times are GMT. The time now is 03:39 AM.

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.