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ChezCheese:) 4th November 2019 03:42 PM

It seems to me that the White House preventing its employees from testifying is the very definition of obstruction of justice. Forcing its employees to defy a Congressional subpoena places them in legal jeopardy. Or let's say even that the said employees want to avoid testifying - - allowing them or enabling them to avoid complying with a subpoena is aiding and abetting the obstruction of justice. Not to mention it insists that the executive branch of government is superior to the legislative branch, which is against the Constitution. Do you think any Republican senators will develop a spine and stand up on their own two feet?

baldilocks 4th November 2019 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevdeforges (Post 14980938)
What's sad in all this is that the Founding Fathers specifically rejected the Parliamentary system so that it would be possible for the workers, peasants and soldiers to elect representatives from whatever party - precisely to exercise checks and balances over the President - rather than giving the representatives the power to elect the President from the dominant party. It was the English Parliamentary system that they were specifically trying to avoid.

And do you think the Electoral College system is any better? Let the people vote for whom they please, the EC will just appoint whomever they please/are told.

Bevdeforges 4th November 2019 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by baldilocks (Post 14982230)
And do you think the Electoral College system is any better? Let the people vote for whom they please, the EC will just appoint whomever they please/are told.

Frankly, I see little difference between the Electoral College system and the Parliamentary system they were supposed to be "avoiding." The two party stranglehold on power just makes the system that much worse.

ChezCheese:) 6th November 2019 02:26 PM

My husband and I have argued about the electoral system many times. His point of view is that like the Senate puts all states on an equal footing (as opposed to the House of Representatives where power is based on population), the electoral college system prevents the 'tyranny of the majority', and that there must be some steadiness to shield against the vicissitudes of populism. My response is that dirt don't vote, people vote, and that the electoral college maintains the white boy status quo.

In fact, we are both right.

Bevdeforges 6th November 2019 02:46 PM

This all relates to that "states' rights" stuff they drilled into us in school back in the States. It's a historical thing and related to the idea that each colony wanted to be self-ruling to some extent and that the only way they could get the colonies to agree to unite was to promise them a certain level of autonomy.

I can recall a few issues back when I was a kid that were considered "states' rights" issues, but I haven't heard the term used back there in quite some time.

ChezCheese:) 14th November 2019 12:25 AM

So now we have reached the public impeachment hearings, Day 1. I had it on the radio, but had to turn it off after an hour. The Republicans were just attack dogs, busy trying to get their soundbytes in. One of them, Jim Jordan of Ohio I think it was, talked faster and faster as though he were frothing at the mouth and about to have apoplexy.

It really blows my mind how completely they are defending Cheeto, with no thought for ethics or separation of powers or America's standing in the international community or true citizenship.

Carl Bernstein wrote the other day that America is in a cold civil war, and it certainly seems so. Me, I'm definitely a Yankee.

noblesse 14th November 2019 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ChezCheese:) (Post 14988666)
So now we have reached the public impeachment hearings, Day 1. I had it on the radio, but had to turn it off after an hour. The Republicans were just attack dogs, busy trying to get their soundbytes in. One of them, Jim Jordan of Ohio I think it was, talked faster and faster as though he were frothing at the mouth and about to have apoplexy.

The New York Times has the hearings as a live stream, with commentary split screen. That way you can watch and they tell you who’s who and other pertinent information. I found the contrast between the calm civil servants and the rabid Republicans quite striking.

I haven’t seen it pointed out anywhere just how difficult it is to even enter the Civil Service. I have a B.A. with honours from the University of Texas at Austin and studied as hard as I could to pass the entrance examination but failed. The exam covers so many subjects that it was very hard to prepare for it.

American civil servants, especially those with long experience and at senior levels, are some of the most intelligent people in the world - a complete contrast to many elected representatives!

Bevdeforges 14th November 2019 10:06 AM

I watched the first hour or two on CNNI yesterday. On the one hand, it was a real joy to hear US "officials" expressing themselves in full sentences, calmly and with attention to the facts of the situation. OK, I made it as far as the 5 minute "potty break" they took before handing over to the Republicans for cross examination.

Checked back a bit later to catch that Jim Jordan guy frothing at the mouth over something or other, and decided I'd do better to watch Tales of the City on Netflix. (Just as an aside - on Netflix France they have all three of the original series in addition to the new Netflix "sequel.")

BarbTF 14th November 2019 01:23 PM

I've been trying to bring myself to watch Fox News to see how they are presenting the hearings, but so far I just haven't been able to stomach the thought. It seems as if even they would have a hard time presenting it in a way that looked favorable to Trump and his Republican lapdogs.

ChezCheese:) 14th November 2019 01:29 PM

Fortunately, we don't get broadcast TV, so I don't have to clean grease off the TV screen every time we might flip past FAUX news. I am sure that they will have no problem - - they will simply show Republican foaming, Cheeto tweets and little else.


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