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Read and weep.


https://www.thelocal.fr/20190816/upd...dkmgm9TyPY20oo


Driving seems to be OK for those who have been here a while..

"There is some good news on driving licences, as the French government announced in April that British people who can prove "normal residence" in France can continue to use their UK licence after a no-deal Brexit. However this only applied to people who have been here for 185 days (six months) on Brexit day. People with less than six months residence will have to apply for a French licence as a Third Country National"


Smeg did say don't move to France until Brexit is sorted.

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Read and weep.


https://www.thelocal.fr/20190816/upd...dkmgm9TyPY20oo


Driving seems to be OK for those who have been here a while..

"There is some good news on driving licences, as the French government announced in April that British people who can prove "normal residence" in France can continue to use their UK licence after a no-deal Brexit. However this only applied to people who have been here for 185 days (six months) on Brexit day. People with less than six months residence will have to apply for a French licence as a Third Country National"


Smeg did say don't move to France until Brexit is sorted.
Smeg, don't fall into the trap you warn other Brits about, of getting your news about France from expat newspapers.

I can't see anything on the French government's website that confirms the above, please tell me if I missed something. In fact I can't see much similarity at all between what France says and what The Local says
https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Actual...is-de-conduire

Avec accord de retrait

L’accord de retrait ne contient aucune disposition sur le permis de conduire. Il prévoit néanmoins une période de transition.

Pendant la période de transition, les règles européennes continuent à s’appliquer en France et au Royaume-Uni : il n’y aura pas de conséquence sur les permis de conduire.

Après la période de transition, trois cas méritent d’être distingués selon que vous circulez en France en qualité de touriste ou de résident :

Si vous résidez en France, des dispositions spécifiques et réciproques préciseront ultérieurement les modalités d’échange pour les titulaires d’un permis britannique résidant en France
Si vous êtes touriste en France, vous pouvez conduire pendant la durée de votre séjour avec votre permis de conduire obtenu par examen au Royaume-Uni. Le permis de conduire international n’est pas nécessaire si vous êtes en possession de la traduction de votre permis de conduire
Si vous comptez vous installer en France, après la période de transition, votre permis de conduire britannique est reconnu sur le territoire français pendant le délai d’un an, mais vous devrez en solliciter l’échange dans ce délai

Sans accord de retrait

Il n’y a pas dans ce cas de période de transition et les modalités précisées ci-dessous selon que vous circulez en France en qualité de touriste ou de résident s’appliquent dès la date de mise en œuvre du BREXIT :

Si vous résidez en France, des dispositions spécifiques et réciproques préciseront ultérieurement les modalités d’échange pour les titulaires d’un permis britannique résidant en France
Si vous êtes touriste en France, vous pouvez conduire pendant la durée de votre séjour avec votre permis de conduire obtenu par examen au Royaume-Uni. Le permis de conduire international n’est pas nécessaire si vous êtes en possession de la traduction de votre permis de conduire
Si vous comptez vous installer en France après le 29 mars, votre permis de conduire britannique sera reconnu sur le territoire français pendant un délai d’un an après l’acquisition de votre résidence principale en France. Vous devrez en solliciter l’échange dans ce délai. Des dispositions spécifiques et réciproques préciseront ultérieurement les modalités de cet échange.


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End of free movement is end of free movement.

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End of free movement is end of free movement.
But the advice you shared is still incorrect - at least at this point in time.


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End of free movement is end of free movement.
I think that a lot of what we are hearing now is sabre-rattling and weasel words that can be twisted and manipulated according to political need; 'cinema' for consumption by various lobby groups in the UK, maybe even Johnson giving himself a few things that he can subsequently 'give away' again as 'compromises' in negotiations. Although I have no doubt that Patel is champing at the bit to impose tougher regulations all round.

I think what we are hearing at this point is bluster and flim-flam,part of some futile pantomime put on to impress the ERG, actual or potential Brexit Party voters and to keep the pro-Brexit press off his back.

Having said that, I think that the rights of EU citizens in the UK (and vice versa) are very low down on the list of current priorities and that the slide towards no-deal is beginning to look inevitable. There's a downbeat article by Rafael Behr in the Grauniad this morning. It's kind of interesting if you're a Brexi-masochist like me.
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I have to admit that I am just astounded at the nonsense BoJo is spewing at the moment. He keeps insisting that the EU must "change" the agreement somehow, while what they are asking/waiting for is some concrete suggestion regarding how the Brits intend to stick to the terms of the Good Friday Agreement without imposing a hard border on the island of Ireland. He could take the Backstop off the table himself if he only had a clue how to accomplish the borderless border issue.
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Will someone please explain this to me please? The NI Backstop seems to be the main logjam regarding an agreed Brexit between the UK and the EU.

Now although there could well be a Customs Barrier between Eire and Northern Ireland surely this would NOT mean a return to British soldiers manning border posts and being armed with machine guns etc and the current Good Friday Agreement would continue. Before both Eire and the UK became members of the the EEC Irish Republic Citizens enjoyed rights as regards the UK that were not available to other immigrants such as voting in UK Elections, (why I will never understand), and were free to come and go and live and work in Britain. I assume those rights would continue after a Brexit be it a Deal or No Deal.

Yes vehicles carrying goods, raw materials etc to and fro over the NI/Eire Border would no doubt have to stop and lodge papers and possibly be inspected by Customs Officials of both countries but would individual citizens have to show a passport to move between the two parts of the Island of Ireland after 31 Oct 2019, if an agreement acceptable to both the UK and EU regarding the status of NI and trade matters therewith cannot be achieved?

Thus particular issue is confusing me as there appear to be many conflicting answers depending on where the person, newspaper, TV News etc stand be it Remainer or Leaver.

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Will someone please explain this to me please? The NI Backstop seems to be the main logjam regarding an agreed Brexit between the UK and the EU.

Now although there could well be a Customs Barrier between Eire and Northern Ireland surely this would NOT mean a return to British soldiers manning border posts and being armed with machine guns etc
I think one fear is that any border infrastructure (and not necessarily physically on the border, even a few miles away) would become a terrorist target, therefore inevitably there would need to be armed protection which would in turn become a target. The border is so dense with crossing points it would probably also mean closing roads - those little ones that criss-cross farms etc. which in turn would provoke retaliation. None of that is certain, of course,but seems likely. And if the border was open in any realistic sense, it would take only a few weeks for the camps at Calais and Dunkerque to relocate, and bingo: more police/army posts, more targets. It really is a very fragile situation.
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I think that a lot of what we are hearing now is sabre-rattling and weasel words that can be twisted and manipulated according to political need; 'cinema' for consumption by various lobby groups in the UK, maybe even Johnson giving himself a few things that he can subsequently 'give away' again as 'compromises' in negotiations. Although I have no doubt that Patel is champing at the bit to impose tougher regulations all round.

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That's a very interesting article - thank you.
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Back to the initial article,

https://www.thelocal.fr/20190816/upd...dkmgm9TyPY20oo

Whether you see it as non factual or not, it does highlight the areas that you need to be concerned/think about.

Then you have this article about EU nationals living in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-free-movement

Putin wanted a war. He got one.

You can still see his little warriors posting in newspaper forums.

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