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Old 14th July 2019, 08:31 AM
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Anything to get the argument going....appeal to the mob....a bit of red meat,....and there you are....anarchy....and the proof is in the foregoing 5 pages. Forget logic and critical analysis...it's the emotions that count.....as Smeggie well knows.m

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Not only is it a false premise - it isn't what I said at all.

So his technique as you call it is to create lies then criticise those lies

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You're right about what led to Trump's election (though it was also a result of Russian meddling by inflammatory social media posts if nothing beyond that, and a once-in-a-lifetime situation of 16 Republican contenders for the nomination, and several relatively strong 3rd party candidates enabled by the general dislike of Clinton) but my point is that the result of it has been chaos, ineptitude, all the things the British ambassador to the US mentioned in his leaked cables.

And don't the British people notice this? And don't they realize that Boris = Donald--another overgrown rich kid who's a compulsive liar and will say anything to get what they want and has no real interest in governing, just in winning? I have to think that they do realize this, and they must realize that Great Britain is in for the same results that the US is having right now. Which is why I cannot understand it.

Maybe I'm just too logical.
Perhaps you are? When I lived in the UK, 1953-2013, from 1969 till 2012 I was very active in politics at Grass Roots level and was twice a Local Councillor. In that time I often was involved in canvassing, (for those from countres where this is not done that is calling on people on their doorsteps and asking how they intend to vote). Whilst there were some electors who actually DID consider the issues etc many voted for the strangest of reaosns such as "My family have always voted Labour/Tory/Lib/Dem etc", "I don't vote for Protestants, (or Roman Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Women, Holosexuals, Blacks, Whites etc, etc, etc" or even "That candidate looks like my late father/mother/husband etc".

Then there are those who are motivated by some gut issue which may not be on the agenda but means a lot to them, for example being pro or anti Abortion, or Capital Punishment, being "Green" or a Vegan .

As has been said, owing to the system the Conservative Party uses to elect a Leader, its MPs have whittled it down to 2 contenders Boris and Hunt. It is now up to card carrying members of that Party to choose between the two and that again will be informed by personalities and of course which of the two is more likely to win a General Election be it soon owing to an impasse in Parliament as regards the Brexit, or by the Spring of 2022 when the next scheduled election has to be held.

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Anything to get the argument going....appeal to the mob....a bit of red meat,....and there you are....anarchy....and the proof is in the foregoing 5 pages. Forget logic and critical analysis...it's the emotions that count.....as Smeggie well knows.m

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I think you give him too much credit, I just think he's a grumpy old git without a positive thought in his head. So I ignore him, I don't need that much angst in my life ;-)
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Not only is it a false premise - it isn't what I said at all.

So his technique as you call it is to create lies then criticise those lies
That is what brexiteers have done before and since the vote.

They don't like it up umm Mr Mainwaring. They don't like it up umm.

You have openly admitted to voting Brexit. Which is fine I have no problem with that.

But your are moving to a 'EU' country that will be adversely affected by that vote.

That includes young French kids who want to move to the Uk to work.

That includes thousands of French people living and working in the UK.

That includes thousands of French people who's jobs are dependent on the trade between the UK and France.

That includes thousands of British OAP's living in France.

That includes thousands of British families living in France.

That includes my kids who may one day want to live and work in the UK.

That includes my wife if we decide to go and live in the UK.

All you want is a cheap house, the weather, a swimming pool, a gîte, access to healthcare and live in a Brit hotspot in France and build model railways. You are not moving to France for 'France'. If you had, you would have voted remain.

It will end in tears.

There will be a backlash in France against Brits if the Brexit goes ahead. I would keep shtum if you do move to France about the way you voted
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That is what brexiteers have done before and since the vote.

They don't like it up umm Mr Mainwaring. They don't like it up umm.

You have openly admitted to voting Brexit. Which is fine I have no problem with that.

But your are moving to a 'EU' country that will be adversely affected by that vote.

That includes young French kids who want to move to the Uk to work.

That includes thousands of French people living and working in the UK.

That includes thousands of French people who's jobs are dependent on the trade between the UK and France.

That includes thousands of British OAP's living in France.

That includes thousands of British families living in France.

That includes my kids who may one day want to live and work in the UK.

That includes my wife if we decide to go and live in the UK.

All you want is a cheap house, the weather, a swimming pool, a gîte, access to healthcare and live in a Brit hotspot in France and build model railways. You are not moving to France for 'France'. If you had, you would have voted remain.

It will end in tears.

There will be a backlash in France against Brits if the Brexit goes ahead. I would keep shtum if you do move to France about the way you voted
But surely your children are dual citizens And surely if you and your wife had any interest in living and working in the UK, you would have done it by now whilst you are both of an age where you would be likely to get work (you are already in your forties!); and I thought it was working in the US that appealed to your wife. In any case, all your wife would need to work in the UK after Brexit is a spouse visa.

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But surely your children are dual citizens And surely if you and your wife had any interest in living and working in the UK, you would have done it by now whilst you are both of an age where you would be likely to get work (you are already in your forties!); and I thought it was working in the US that appealed to your wife. In any case, all your wife would need to work in the UK after Brexit is a spouse visa.
The children don't have British passports. Even if they did, nothing is guaranteed. Just read the news.

OH would have to work 3 years (I think) to get permanent residency.

WTF is the UK up to by voting Brexit ? Muppets.

If OH caught anyone who voted Brexit living in France.....you would have to close your eyes and hold your ears. It would not be pretty.


P.S I am not bloody moving to America.

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Old 14th July 2019, 09:36 AM
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What I don't get in all of this is, for those who are living in France (or elsewhere in the EU), why in the world do you still get all worked up about this issue? It's a British problem right now. Not even sure those of you living outside the UK were even eligible to vote in the referendum. But you're no longer resident there, so let them figure it all out.

At some point along this thread (or possibly a different one on Brexit) our resident troll posed the question whether we should perhaps talk about the US president instead. I notice that the US members of this forum tend not to care any more because they live here and are only minimally concerned with what is going on back there. No one back there seems too excited about "doing something" about it - at least there don't seem to be any demonstrations or protests by the workers, peasants and soldiers. Maybe everyone back there has simply given up - but if they have, then there's nothing any of us outside the US can do but get on with our lives.

Is the only difference the proximity of the UK? Because other than that, I don't think the French (or the Germans or the Spanish) really are all that concerned that their kids won't be able to just pop across the Channel to work or study. OK, buying stuff from the UK may take a little longer and will possibly cost a little more - but those of us who have been here a while have lived through that before. The Brit OAPs living in France (or elsewhere) still have the same concerns about exchange rates that they have always had. The requirement for a visa for new OAPs to move to France might actually weed out a few folks who put too much stock in the notion that living in the south of France is "cheap" and that's probably not a bad thing.

The UK never really wanted to be in the EU - this is their big chance to go back to "the good old days" before they were subjected to whatever oppression it is they think they'll be out from under come October 31st. If Smeg and family want to go back to the UK to live, he'll simply have to show that he makes enough to support them in order to get the Mrs. a visa. I thought that's what all the Brexit supporters wanted!?

Rant mode off. But honestly, why do Brits settled elsewhere still give a toss about all this Brexit furor?

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Rant mode off. But honestly, why do Brits settled elsewhere still give a toss about all this Brexit furor?
Because we are losing free movement in the EU. Not hard to understand.

But it is not just Brits....it is the French as well. The UK and France and quite closely located.

There are more French living in the UK than Brits living in France. They are more affected than the British to be fair.

So in the context of a French forum, it is quite important.

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Because we are losing free movement in the EU. Not hard to understand.

But it is not just Brits....it is the French as well. The UK and France and quite closely located.

There are more French living in the UK than Brits living in France. They are more affected than the British to be fair.

So in the context of a French forum, it is quite important.
French people currently living and working in the UK will retain freedom of movement in the EU. If they have British citizenship (and many have), or even if they just have ILR, they can remain there and continue working. That said, many have already chosen to return to France (for a variety of reasons).

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French people currently living and working in the UK will retain freedom of movement in the EU. If they have British citizenship (and many have), or even if they just have ILR, they can remain there and continue working. That said, many have already chosen to return to France (for a variety of reasons).
EH nobody knows what is going to happen. Even politicians don't know.

People who voted Brexit don't know......what they voted for.

Many French have chosen to move back to France but there are plenty of French kids who want to move to the UK.

That is 'freedom of movement'. That is the point of the EU.

But I make this point again. Why is it acceptable for British OAP's be allowed to move to France (burden on healthcare comes to mind) to retire and young French can't move to the UK for work and contribute to an economy.

Voting Brexit and moving to France is totally morally unacceptable IMHO.

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