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Old 13th July 2019, 07:29 PM
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Jeezus fcuking christ.
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But is is a convention in the Uk's unwritten Constutution that one PM can NOT bind his successor far less a parliament that may be of a different party.

What Cameron should have done would have been to require that the side wishing a change, in this case Leave would need to attain at least 55% of the votes cast or the status quo remains.

In any event the 2016 Referendum has been rendered redundant by the Euro Elections of 27 June 2019 the results of which are mandatory and which confirmed it by the Brexit Party wining most seats and thus giving whoever becomes the next PM, probably Boris, a renewed mandate to Deliver the Brexit.

Not the outcome I wanted but the people voted in the Euro Elections and that was the result.

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As a Scot who has lived in France since Spring 2013 and now considers it to be his home I feel the UK is making a big mistake in leaving the EU but the recent Euro Election results have confirmed that is what will occur by 31 Oct 2019.

The rise in Populism in many countries and I feel Donald Trump's victory in the USA in 2016 and the likely succession of Boris Johnson to become the next UK PM is the fault of the Political Elite who have alienated themselves from the Common People and ignore their wishes and problems to ride their own ideaolgical hobby horses and pander to minorities at the expense of the majority.

Tony Blair was the worst British example in recent years but the same could be said for Edward Heath and to an extent Harold Wilson back in the day. There is a conceit amongst many British MPs that they are somehow endowed with a great wisdom denied to the ordinary citizens and that "Nanny Knows Best". Hilary Clinton gave that impression in her failed election campaign in 2016 whereas Trump appealed to many Americans who felt they were being ignored.

The same can be said for the 3 main parties in the UK, Conservative, Labour and Liberal-Democrat. In Scotland the SNP, a rare animal in being a Left Wing Nationalist Party, and in Ulster the Democratic Unionists who are well to the Religious Right on Moral issues , have overtaken the main three. In England it would seem that the Brexit Party could be a significant presence although unlike the Euro Elections which are run on a Proportional System, the smaller parties, especially of the Populist Non-Economic Right do badly under the UK's First Past the Post system used to elect MPs and thus the Government. They could however take sufficient votes from the incumbent party in some seats to alter the result in a constituency that was usually safe for that party and "gift" it to the party that is normally in Second Place.

Instead of insulting and belittling the Populists, the Main parties should come out of their Intellectual Ivory Towers and see what the Common People- the Majority are concerned about , as should the News Media especally the BBC.

Although Boris Johnson is from a wealthy backgound, is an Old Etonian, and despite his clowning act is really a very intelligent man, he seems to have been able to resonate with the ordinary voter in a way that Theresa May and David Cameron before her failed to do and I feel that Jeremy Hunt tends to turn people off especially owing to what has happened to the National Health Service during his watch as Health Secretary .

All in all it is going to be an "interesting time" as the Chinese would say.

Finally for Britain's sake I hope that President Trump does not bear a grudge against the UK for the very candid remarks of the ex-Ambassador as once the Brexit is delivered Britain may well need the support of the USA to make new and beneficial trade deals.
You're right about what led to Trump's election (though it was also a result of Russian meddling by inflammatory social media posts if nothing beyond that, and a once-in-a-lifetime situation of 16 Republican contenders for the nomination, and several relatively strong 3rd party candidates enabled by the general dislike of Clinton) but my point is that the result of it has been chaos, ineptitude, all the things the British ambassador to the US mentioned in his leaked cables.

And don't the British people notice this? And don't they realize that Boris = Donald--another overgrown rich kid who's a compulsive liar and will say anything to get what they want and has no real interest in governing, just in winning? I have to think that they do realize this, and they must realize that Great Britain is in for the same results that the US is having right now. Which is why I cannot understand it.

Maybe I'm just too logical.

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And don't the British people notice this? And don't they realize that Boris = Donald--another overgrown rich kid who's a compulsive liar and will say anything to get what they want and has no real interest in governing, just in winning? I have to think that they do realize this, and they must realize that Great Britain is in for the same results that the US is having right now. Which is why I cannot understand it.

Maybe I'm just too logical.
The problem is that the people in most countries don't look to how things go in other countries, because (of course) that has nothing to do with them. (Or so they think.) It also doesn't help that Boris is coming to power through a strange party procedure where only the party members actually vote on the matter. "The British people" may consider Boris a dolt and a fop, but he'll still get his turn because that's how the party works.

OTOH, you can say much the same for the Americans. All that Sturm und Drang over "hanging chads" and whatnot in the 2000 election, and yet there is no serious move to overturn the Electoral College system which is, if you're honest about it, just a version of the Parliamentary system that the Founding Fathers claimed they wanted to get away from.

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Well, here we are, 5 pages of posts in response to Smeggie's provocative initial post. Not bad eh, Smeggie? But I'm sure some of your other provacations have done better.

As a long term observer of human groups and their behaviours I can only admire Smeggie's techniques. For those of you here are upset by Smeg's comments are only showing how well he knows how to get under the skin of easily aroused posters.

Smeggie, I await your next s**t stirring thread with interest.


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I am not sure where his imaginary figure of 70 million comes from. It is not difficult to check.....the population of the UK at the time was 65.6 million and there were 46.5 million registered voters.

So sill no majority in either case. Cameron could easily have framed the terms of the referendum in such a way that it would not be binding, but bizarrely chose not to.
"No need to waste time on that, Old Chap. Those plebs will never vote for leave.
We'll 'Remain' with Party Re-united, Country Re-united, and me back for a third term. Job Done. Pimms anyone? Hic."
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I can visualise toff Cameron saying just that.

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I did say that I would reply to Dear Smeggie's original post ...so here goes.

Sorry, Smeggie, your question is built on a false premise. That is

Lots of immigration in the uk, and I don't like it,

I'LL move to France to solve the problem

.....and become an immigrant myself.
Not only is it a false premise - it isn't what I said at all.

So his technique as you call it is to create lies then criticise those lies

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