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Old 1st June 2019, 10:17 AM
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1) EEC = EU (and don't try to bluff and imply that it is otherwise).
I'm not bluffing.

The EEC was founded on the 25 March 1957
The EU was founded on 1st November 1993

Go look it up if you don't believe me. When we voted in 1975 we were voting on joining the EEC, no political body involved. The Maastricht Treat was 16 years later so I don't think there was much confusion about what we were voting for.

The ONLY time the UK voted on EU membership they rejected it. They repeated expressing their opinion on the fact we haven't left during the local elections recently and in the EU elections.

Q.E.D.

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The EEC was founded on the 25 March 1957
The EU was founded on 1st November 1993
The EU was the successor organization to the EEC, which was, in turn, the successor organization to the European Coal and Steel Community. Same core group, expanded membership.

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Thank you, EH for starting this. Let me put a question out there to allow the games to begin:

Do you think Brexit will actually happen? If so, when, and under what circumstances? (Deal, no deal, another referendum, after a general election, the EU finally gets sick and tired of all the nonsense and tosses the UK out on their butt....)
Yes the Brexit will happen, the very recent Peoples Vote aka The Euro Election has ensured that. If Boris Johnson or Dominic Raab becomes the next Tory Leader and PM a No Deal Brexit is very likely and neither will hold a Referendum to accept or reject it.

I feel the Uk will live to regret the Brexit but in Britain the electors gave the most seats to the Brexit Party on Thursday 23 May and that is a lot more convincing that the stale 3 year old Referendum in June 2016 as people now knew what they were voting for and have had 3 years of information they did not have back then.

Fearing this outcome I applied for and received a CDS so have the right to remain here in France.

I DO however worry about British friends who may suffer for years to come as a result of a No Deal Brexit .

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1st referendum was NOT on EU membership, it was Common Market or EEC

2nd referendum was NO 52% (Leave) Yes 48% (remain)

Still you don't get it
The 1975 Referendum was held by the then Labour Government AFTER the UK had entered the then EEC on 1st Jan 1973. Ted Heath did NOT hold a Referendum before the UK entered the Common Market.

I am a Remainer but in the recent Euro Elections the Brexit Party won most seats and it is that which counts and not the share of Popular Vote added together is whatever combination so that was to me a far better and bang up to date mandate for the Brexit much as myself and millions of others might not like that.

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"When we voted in 1975 we were voting on joining the EEC" (Rynd). Untrue. The Uk had already been a Member of the EEC since 1st Jan 1973 and no Referendum was held by Ted Heath to agree to that.

I DO agree that what was then the EEC has developed over the decades into what is now the EU and once the UK does Brexit we will evolve further possibly with a European Defence Force to replace NATO and a Federal System of Central Government and of course The Euro and possibly a restored and more secure Schengen System.


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"When we voted in 1975 we were voting on joining the EEC" (Rynd). Untrue. The Uk had already been a Member of the EEC since 1st Jan 1973 and no Referendum was held by Ted Heath to agree to that.

I DO agree that what was then the EEC has developed over the decades into what is now the EU and once the UK does Brexit we will evolve further possibly with a European Defence Force to replace NATO and a Federal System of Central Government and of course The Euro and possibly a restored and more secure Schengen System.
You are correct that the 1975 referendum was a confirming vote, however it is true to say that ONLY time the UK electorate has voted on EU membership it rejected it.

Your vision of the future EU is precisely why I and many others voted leave. United States of Europe, NO THANKS.

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The EU was the successor organization to the EEC, which was, in turn, the successor organization to the European Coal and Steel Community. Same core group, expanded membership.
In the face of all this, how you can claim that an organisation that did not exist in 1975 is the same as the one that did exist is utterly beyond me. It defies logic, reason and common sense.

The fact remains, UK accepted the EEC which was not a political organisation but rejected the EU when it became one. Please just get over it.

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Your vision of the future EU is precisely why I and many others voted leave. United States of Europe, NO THANKS.
Hang on....

You voted 'leave' and you want to move to France ?

How does that work ?

I mean seriously.

You want a gte in France so that you can can get into the heath system in France...Yes !...yes...!

Why not just stay in the UK ?

Why move to France ?

I have no problem with people voting leave. No problem whatsoever. I have a BIG F***ing problem with people who voted leave then want to move to the EU. Specifically France.


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You are correct that the 1975 referendum was a confirming vote, however it is true to say that ONLY time the UK electorate has voted on EU membership it rejected it.

Your vision of the future EU is precisely why I and many others voted leave. United States of Europe, NO THANKS.
You're welcome but please close the door quietly on the way out after 31 Oct 2019. Perhaps if British Politicians and Media types are polite to President Trump on his visit to the UK he may be of assistance to Britian after a No Deal Brexit. Adieu.

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Hang on....

You voted 'leave' and you want to move to France ?

How does that work ?

I mean seriously.

You want a gte in France so that you can can get into the heath system in France...Yes !...yes...!

Why not just stay in the UK ?

Why move to France ?

I have no problem with people voting leave. No problem whatsoever. I have a BIG F***ing problem with people who voted leave then want to move to the EU. Specifically France.

Me too, they can't have it both ways. In April of 2013 I made a conscious decision to come here and the only problem I have is learning to understand spoken French. However I have workarounds for that and get by. France is now my home, I have a CDS and if I can get sufficient understanding of the Language I will be applying for French Citizenship. I voted here in France where I am registered to for the Municipal and Euro Elections and am happy to remain an EU Citizen. As you say some people, including some good friends of mine back in the UK, are Leavers and their camp got a great boost on 23 May by the Brexit Party winning the most seats in that Peoples Vote. Good luck to them at French Immigration Control, Customs, etc, etc after the Brexit.

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