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As you may be able to tell, I'm tired of discussing the mass shooting du jour. But it dawns on me that those of us of US origins may have more in common with our British cousins than we want to admit. The results of the US could have a huge impact on US expats, depending on who wins.

And before you say that there is "no way" Trump can win, just remember that a year ago there was "no way" Trump was going to get the nomination. Now look where we are.

Anyhow, to relate this a bit more to the Brexit discussions here and in other sections of the forum, the issue of immigration could jump up and bite us big time. Trump is threatening/promising to bar Muslims from entering the US. In the world of immigration, this usually calls for tit for tat measures, and I could actually see the EU and/or UK revoking the "visa-free" entry for Americans who are "just visiting" in retaliation. (This actually happened back in the 1980s when the US started requiring the French to get visas even for tourist visits, and France was quick to retaliate and require visas for Americans.)

OTOH, Trump isn't big on paying his own taxes and has made a number of hostile statements about the IRS, especially their funding. Hm, maybe there WOULD be some advantages for us long-suffering expats....
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Well I've told my American friends they can rent a room in my French house after the election for a $1000 a month. And honestly, regardless of who wins I may have takers!

But seriously, speaking as a former civil servant, Trump would have some major problems filling most of his campaign promises. Of course all candidates over promise but Trump ....... So I don't see a lot of his proposals going very far, including the immigration ones.

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I know nothing (dare I say care) about America, the country or its politics, but as an outsider I see no difference between Trump, Clinton, GW Bush or the NRA. I am sure most in the EU would agree. America has serious problems to deal with at home. Trump becoming elected or Brexit/fall of the EU is not going to change that.
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Smeg, I'm not a huge fan of Hillary, but I see the US facing the same sort of election we had here when the choice came down to Chirac vs. LePen. (Or so we can hope - at least the outcome.)

You're right, the US has big time problems, which no one is addressing. The recent events are only highlighting that to an embarrassing extent. But I do wonder if the EU or the International Community at large might turn against Americans in general if the election goes the "wrong" way and we wind up with a Crazy Man as President.

But I am starting to think that I may save the $110 or so it would cost me to renew my US passport next year.... only need it for going to the US. For all my other travel, my French passport works nicely.
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I don't know. That country seems to have gone insane. It's only reinforced my attachment to France. After 24 years, even familial ties have worn down to nothing but Facebook friends... lives I follow in photo.

The possibility of Trump becoming president just put the last nail in the coffin as they say- "Back to the Future" is upon us and Biff has risen. "Idiocracy" was almost a documentary.

I can't even imagine what this will do to international relations.
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There does seem to a world wide feeling that people have had enough of "professional politicians" who have been in politics all their lives and no perceived experience of the real world. The absence of the "common touch". Certainly some past politicians..Roosevelt, Reagan, Churchill, Thatcher, Blair (dare I say Hitler?) did give the perception of having this uncommon "common touch".

One test for this feeling is "Have you bought a bus ticket in the last 20 years?". Washington DC, Westminster UK and Brussels are filled with these perceived unworldly people.

Now people like Trump, Marine Le Pen and Boris (UK) are perceived as not being in this unworldly class....although I doubt if Trump has ever bought a bus ticket.

We only need a major international crisis (big war on our doorsteps) and people may well overturn the ancien regime.....perhaps with the recent shootings, aircraft downing we are starting the crisis?

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I don't know. That country seems to have gone insane. It's only reinforced my attachment to France. After 24 years, even familial ties have worn down to nothing but Facebook friends... lives I follow in photo.

The possibility of Trump becoming president just put the last nail in the coffin as they say- "Back to the Future" is upon us and Biff has risen. "Idiocracy" was almost a documentary.

I can't even imagine what this will do to international relations.

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As you may be able to tell, I'm tired of discussing the mass shooting du jour. But it dawns on me that those of us of US origins may have more in common with our British cousins than we want to admit. The results of the US could have a huge impact on US expats, depending on who wins.

And before you say that there is "no way" Trump can win, just remember that a year ago there was "no way" Trump was going to get the nomination. Now look where we are.

Anyhow, to relate this a bit more to the Brexit discussions here and in other sections of the forum, the issue of immigration could jump up and bite us big time. Trump is threatening/promising to bar Muslims from entering the US. In the world of immigration, this usually calls for tit for tat measures, and I could actually see the EU and/or UK revoking the "visa-free" entry for Americans who are "just visiting" in retaliation. (This actually happened back in the 1980s when the US started requiring the French to get visas even for tourist visits, and France was quick to retaliate and require visas for Americans.)

OTOH, Trump isn't big on paying his own taxes and has made a number of hostile statements about the IRS, especially their funding. Hm, maybe there WOULD be some advantages for us long-suffering expats....
Cheers,
Bev

Europe will have a new property Boom if Trumpy wins ...hes gonna go around buying land and build American style condos all over Europe with large strip malls and amusement parks and a las vegas in every big city ....business will be great again...lol.

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I hadn't seen this before today but Bev I was joking about that with my mom too. I'm like I better get my visa and over there this August because if Trump wins, who knows...

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Somewhere else we are discussing the possible effects of Brexit on non-EU expats in Europe, and that involves the relative difficulty of obtaining a residence visa in the various countries of the EU.

Somehow, France still comes off as one of the trickier countries in which to establish oneself if you're from outside the EU. The top country in Europe is still Ireland, due to the old "Irish grandmother trick." Basically, there is no residence requirement for Irish nationality and loads of Americans have taken this route over the years. Now it's the Brits' turn to check Grandma's and Grandpa's birth certificates.

I also suspect Mr. Trump and his "resort culture" won't get a terribly warm welcome in France - after all, France is still one of the few countries to have successfully barricaded itself against the Walmart chain in order to protect the national champion, Carrefour. But I guess time will tell.
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