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Old 7th April 2020, 08:39 PM
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People are beginning to think about the aftermath of COVID 19.
Will there be any lasting changes? Will we love our family members who we haven't seen for months more? Will those of us who have suffered through the disease be more thankful for their health?


Personally I'm not sure we will see lasting changes in attitudes. A few laws might be changed about how to act in similar emergency situations...


However, there will undoubtedly be some immediate "things to be noted"


  • Pregnancies up
  • divorces up
  • Mental health problems? Up or down?
  • plays, films, books based around confinement, pandemics, isolation, family dramas
  • hairdressers full
  • Hopefully some realization about pollution, traffic levels, use of fossil fuels (This will probably be off set by a need to get economies up and going)
  • Wild life might have just enough time to take back some of their habitats. Could the sparrow return to London?
  • Unemployment up, up, up
  • Working from home up. This has been a huge working form home experiment and from what I can tell it largely successful. Not everyone's cup of tea, but certainly it will make it more of a possibility for those who want to.
  • More contact with neighbours. I think in many city/ town areas in countries like Spain, Italy and probably even in the UK people have in some ways made more contact with their neighbours than ever before
What else?
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I think we may see some household names disappear as companies fail.

We sadly kind of expect small businesses to fail as we believe them to be vulnerable, and to a large extent, that's partly true, but some of the bigger companies will go under also because their cost base is too big and extended to react to sudden change. Maybe most affected will be the ones related to events, promotions, sport and travel and other things which will not pick up until long after confinement ends.

If Thomas Cook hadn't already gone, this would surely have been the final nail for them, just like Flybe. There will be more like those I fear.

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Unfortunately I think Spain will have deflation. People will have less money and less confidence to spend what money they do have. Taxes will go up, pensions will be reduced and, unless the EU agrees to some kind of package to stimulate the economy, paid for via some kind of debt sharing arrangement between members, then people will start to resent it.
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Unfortunately I think Spain will have deflation. People will have less money and less confidence to spend what money they do have. Taxes will go up, pensions will be reduced and, unless the EU agrees to some kind of package to stimulate the economy, paid for via some kind of debt sharing arrangement between members, then people will start to resent it.
This is a critical time for the EU, they are going to have to look after the members now or it will crumble. It could be a great and bring it all together, much like the Spanish people have done, or it could be the end of the EU as we know it.

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There is already an article in Diario Sur today (can't post a link because of paywall) saying that 25% of hotels on the Costa del Sol will not re-open after the lockdown is lifted. Same could be true of lots of shops, bars, restaurants etc. especially if they were struggling before the crisis began.

As well as the huge impact on unemployment, we may well be seeing a lot more empty and deteriorating buildings in our towns and resorts for years to come, which will not make the environment any more attractive.

Low cost flights may be a thing of the past especially if more airlines go to the wall, and people are more reluctant to travel because of the infection risk.
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Domestic abuse cases up during the lockdown ? and the consequences arising from it afterwards.

BBC News - Rise in Domestic abuse during lockdown
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I HOPE that values will change. People will have learned to appreciate the simpler things in life.

People who automatically fill a trolley at the supermarket every week 'just because' are beginning to realise that that really isn't necessary.

People are learning to cook again, to read, to enjoy more simple pleasures.

Of course some are just sat in front of the tele moaning about their 'rights', but I get the feeling that they are in the minority.

I hope that there will be more appreciation for what people have, rather than for what they want.



I'm not sure that my faith in human nature is strong enough to believe that it will be the case though.


I AM sure however, that teleworking will become more the norm. Companies won't need such big buildings & that will have a knock-on effect on the economy.

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Unfortunately I think Spain will have deflation. People will have less money and less confidence to spend what money they do have. Taxes will go up, pensions will be reduced and, unless the EU agrees to some kind of package to stimulate the economy, paid for via some kind of debt sharing arrangement between members, then people will start to resent it.
There's been talk of a post virus Marshall Plan - a recovery program like the Americans did to inject money and
aid into Europe following the devastation of the Second World War.
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This week there was a news report that with all the hospitals closed they expect 4500 less births. All the fertility treatments are on hold.

The only way to get people to travel will be low cost. Partly people won't have any extra money partly people will be afraid. Anybody thinking of hiking prices (flights,hotels etc) will likely face a backlash.

Expect the various governments to demand local production of anything medical. Might extend to other items. That will present its own problem for the EU

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This is a critical time for the EU, they are going to have to look after the members now or it will crumble. It could be a great and bring it all together, much like the Spanish people have done, or it could be the end of the EU as we know it.
It will be interesting also to see how the UK fits in to this. Will it be Europe that works together, or the EU? This could really turn the tables for the UK and show weaknesses in Brexit

Sánchez has already spoken about the hope for leaders to come up with a collaboration package like a kind of Plan Marshall introduced by the States after WWII.
Article in Spanish

https://www.eleconomista.es/economia...-historia.html
Article in English

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/...0405-0004.html
In case you've never heard of it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan




BTW there is a classic Spanish film called "Bienvenido Mr Marshall" about an Andalusian village that goes crazy planning the visit of the American Marshall Plan Committee. It was actually filmed in a town in the Madrid Sierra
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