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Heck of a way to make my first post but here goes. Been lurking here for several months.

We started looking at relocating from the US to the Spanish coast south of Barca last year and were going to spend time on this year's holiday to get serious about looking for properties. She's a college Spanish and ESL professor, I'm an IT architect. With what's been going on here we decided to make a move for ourselves so that we could truly enjoy the rest of our lives, and the Spanish way of life is exactly what we want. That, and to be able to easily travel through the EU on a whim and see all of the incredible places there, makes us long to be there.

The COVID-19 crisis and how it's being handled has made us want to do this even more as we're getting fed up with the dysfunction here. We're hoping and praying that we can still do this given the state of the world and are watching as much as we can very closely.

Thanks for the conversations here, it's great to be able to read about your daily lives in Spain and feel like I'm a (silent) part of a larger community. I guess I'll have to get off my ass and post more now.
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Many couples are going to be afraid to have kids. Some will have lost jobs. Others will be fearful of losing their jobs.

Here in Italy there have been reports of heart attack patients begging to NOT go to hospitals. Older virus patients asking to be treated at home. People who can avoid it don't want to go to the hospital. Why risk it?

In addition many procedures are on hold.

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Many couples are going to be afraid to have kids. Some will have lost jobs. Others will be fearful of losing their jobs.

Here in Italy there have been reports of heart attack patients begging to NOT go to hospitals. Older virus patients asking to be treated at home. People who can avoid it don't want to go to the hospital. Why risk it?

In addition many procedures are on hold.
Not so sure about the births, but certainly I wouldn't want to go anywhere near a hospital at the moment
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No me neither, I was having a conversation along these lines with a friend last night and it's gonna be quite a while before I use public transport or planes in the close proximity of others again.
I agree, but I’ve got no choice... just want to get home more. I’m really getting depressed at the moment. Whilst I am lucky to be well and with family oI just want to go home

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I agree, but I’ve got no choice... just want to get home more. I’m really getting depressed at the moment. Whilst I am lucky to be well and with family oI just want to go home
I really feel for you, you were only meant to be going for a couple of weeks to look after your grandson and now you're stuck there til god knows when ... I expect you are really down, missing your husband and your dogs plus your home and its familiar surroundings...I know it's easy for me to say but try to keep your chin up and try not to let it get you down too much.
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Just out of interest are there any thoughts on British Expats or Immigrants stuck in the UK in lockdown and
are approaching or on the verge of exceeding the 180 day rule and cannot get back to Spain ?

Have there been any rulings by governments about the fears of any British Expats or Immigrants who might
lose their right of residency in Spain or being deemed resident UK and Non resident Spain for tax
purposes; due to being locked down in the UK and not being able to return to Spain, as planned
through no fault of their own.

I wouldn't be at all surprised that amongst their number are Brits working for employers in Spain who
are teleworking in the UK ( at their 2nd home or parents house ) as they would have had to do,
if they managed to return to Spain before the lockdowns. So their tax position ( liable to tax in
the UK or Spain ? ) could be especially pertinent for them; if the lockdowns and travel restrictions
go on for months or they belong to an 'at risk group' of infection, from the virus where self-isolation
for longer in the UK is advisable.

Although saying that unless their passports are stamped on the way in or out ? they could keep
their mouths shut over their unplanned long sojourn in the UK.

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It probably depends on the type of work, but that's not what I'm hearing in the company I work in which is very hierarchical and old school Spanish at the top.Homeworking is going very well. One part of the business which involves sending people into the clients homes has obviously virtually stopped, but the other part of opening new contracts and finding new partners is doing well.
There will be huge losses for this company, but for the moment the world CEO has said that people will not be laid off
Several companies I know were edging towards increased working from home, but were holding back from doing it completely because once in place, it's difficult to rewind. Now they've been forced into complete remote working, companies can weigh up any loss in productivity against the costs of running an office. However some people tell me productivity has actually gone up during the lockdown because people can't go for their half hour coffee break, etc. Office rental costs will come down as well of course, but there are other costs to running an office (electricity, heating, security, cleaners, etc). I get the feeling remote working will win out.

Another knock on effect from 100% remote working is companies can employ people anywhere in the world. There might even be a movement away from living in expensive cities, so jobs might effectively move to cheaper areas. This could be a good thing. And those with fluent English will be able look for remote work internationally.
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Just out of interest are there any thoughts on British Expats or Immigrants stuck in the UK in lockdown and
are approaching or on the verge of exceeding the 180 day rule and cannot get back to Spain ?

Have there been any rulings by governments about the fears of any British Expats or Immigrants who might
lose their right of residency in Spain or being deemed resident UK and Non resident Spain for tax
purposes; due to being locked down in the UK and not being able to return to Spain, as planned
through no fault of their own.

I wouldn't be at all surprised that amongst their number are Brits working for employers in Spain who
are teleworking in the UK ( at their 2nd home or parents house ) as they would have had to do,
if they managed to return to Spain before the lockdowns. So their tax position ( liable to tax in
the UK or Spain ? ) could be especially pertinent for them; if the lockdowns and travel restrictions
go on for months or they belong to an 'at risk group' of infection, from the virus where self-isolation
for longer in the UK is advisable.

Although saying that unless their passports are stamped on the way in or out ? they could keep
their mouths shut over their unplanned long sojourn in the UK.
There are extraordinary-circumstances exemptions for UK tax residency, such as serious accident, and will extend to pandemics and lock-downs. They aren't given automatically but you have to declare on SA109 for those complete annual tax return and P85 for others. The rules can be very complicated so you should take professional advice. Study the Residence, Domicile and Remittance Basis Manual at https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-man...mittance-basis
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I really feel for you, you were only meant to be going for a couple of weeks to look after your grandson and now you're stuck there til god knows when ... I expect you are really down, missing your husband and your dogs plus your home and its familiar surroundings...I know it's easy for me to say but try to keep your chin up and try not to let it get you down too much.
Thanks TL

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Several companies I know were edging towards increased working from home, but were holding back from doing it completely because once in place, it's difficult to rewind. Now they've been forced into complete remote working, companies can weigh up any loss in productivity against the costs of running an office. However some people tell me productivity has actually gone up during the lockdown because people can't go for their half hour coffee break, etc. Office rental costs will come down as well of course, but there are other costs to running an office (electricity, heating, security, cleaners, etc). I get the feeling remote working will win out.

Another knock on effect from 100% remote working is companies can employ people anywhere in the world. There might even be a movement away from living in expensive cities, so jobs might effectively move to cheaper areas. This could be a good thing. And those with fluent English will be able look for remote work internationally.
Could this mean 'The Triumph of the Digital Nomads' ? and people living anywhere they want to in the UK, or
on some remote island ( so long as it has good internet connection ) with the promise of 5G thrown in or
anywhere in the world and still hold down a job in their home country.

In fact were getting a steady trickle of new posters already on this forum saying they're moving to Spain but
intend to carry on working remotely ( either permanently or as a contractor ) for their employer in the UK.

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