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It's not safe. I wouldn't advise anyone to drive after indulging. I know people who have been badly affected by it. I would still legalise it.
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It's not safe. I wouldn't advise anyone to drive after indulging. I know people who have been badly affected by it. I would still legalise it.
Of course you shouldn't drive after smoking it. Same as with alcohol although most people drink and drive.

Is it possible that the people you knew who were badly affected were the kind of unfortunate people I mentioned n my post, those with addictive personalities, for some reason or other?

None of the many people I know to be long term users have suffered in any way.

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The nature of the drug has changed though. There's evidence that long term use of high-THC strains like skunk can cause psychosis, paranoia etc which can have all sorts of harmful outcomes. Yhis is not connected with "addictive personalities", if there is such a thing (which is debatable).

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The nature of the drug has changed though. There's evidence that long term use of high-THC strains like skunk can cause psychosis, paranoia etc which can have all sorts of harmful outcomes. Yhis is not connected with "addictive personalities", if there is such a thing (which is debatable).
I'm not a psychiatrist so I can't make a knowledgeable comment, really, other than to say that it's the old 'nature v nurture' controversy. Alcoholism is said by many professionals to have a genetic component so why not other addictions?

As for the 'harmful outcomes' which you say are not linked to 'addictive personalities, surely no harm would result if the person weren't addicted to the drug in the first place?'

Imo far too much fuss is made over all drugs....apart from the most dangerous drug of them all, which is, of course, alcohol. If a young person dies as a result of taking ecstasy or cocaine in a night club it's Daily Mail headline news for a day or so. The deaths and chronic ill-health of hundreds of thousands of people, resulting from alcohol abuse, are too unglamorous and frequent for a news story. Add to that the domestic abuse, road traffic accidents and violent behaviour associated with alcohol.

But then most people of all social backgrounds and income levels use alcohol as their drug of choice although it seems that cocaine is now the trendy middle class drug. And then there's tobacco....

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I'm not a psychiatrist so I can't make a knowledgeable comment, really, other than to say that it's the old 'nature v nurture' controversy. Alcoholism is said by many professionals to have a genetic component so why not other addictions?

As for the 'harmful outcomes' which you say are not linked to 'addictive personalities, surely no harm would result if the person weren't addicted to the drug in the first place?'

Imo far too much fuss is made over all drugs....apart from the most dangerous drug of them all, which is, of course, alcohol. If a young person dies as a result of taking ecstasy or cocaine in a night club it's Daily Mail headline news for a day or so. The deaths and chronic ill-health of hundreds of thousands of people, resulting from alcohol abuse, are too unglamorous and frequent for a news story. Add to that the domestic abuse, road traffic accidents and violent behaviour associated with alcohol.

But then most people of all social backgrounds and income levels use alcohol as their drug of choice although it seems that cocaine is now the trendy middle class drug. And then there's tobacco....
Have given up tobacco, hardly ever have a drink (maybe a sherry at Christmas) but I do drink coffee (decaf so not even addicted to caffeine.) Boring aren't I?

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I'm not a psychiatrist so I can't make a knowledgeable comment, really, other than to say that it's the old 'nature v nurture' controversy. Alcoholism is said by many professionals to have a genetic component so why not other addictions?

As for the 'harmful outcomes' which you say are not linked to 'addictive personalities, surely no harm would result if the person weren't addicted to the drug in the first place?'

Imo far too much fuss is made over all drugs....apart from the most dangerous drug of them all, which is, of course, alcohol. If a young person dies as a result of taking ecstasy or cocaine in a night club it's Daily Mail headline news for a day or so. The deaths and chronic ill-health of hundreds of thousands of people, resulting from alcohol abuse, are too unglamorous and frequent for a news story. Add to that the domestic abuse, road traffic accidents and violent behaviour associated with alcohol.

But then most people of all social backgrounds and income levels use alcohol as their drug of choice although it seems that cocaine is now the trendy middle class drug. And then there's tobacco....
Yes - harm can happen where the person isn't addicted to the drug. Your young person who dies of ecstasy or cocaine almost certainly isn't addicted and LSD isn't at all addictive but very harmful.

By the way I think that tobacco rather than alcohol by far is the most dangerous drug killing more than all the others put together.

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Yes - harm can happen where the person isn't addicted to the drug. Your young person who dies of ecstasy or cocaine almost certainly isn't addicted and LSD isn't at all addictive but very harmful.

By the way I think that tobacco rather than alcohol by far is the most dangerous drug killing more than all the others put together.
I've never used ecstasy, too old when it became trendy, have been tempted to try cocaine, actually had some once but decided against, threw it down the loo.

Hundreds of thousands, possibly more, people are regular cocaine and ecstasy users. The few fatalities which as I said are usually highly publicised are rare. The fact that so many people regularly use these drugs with no ill effects and without becoming addicted begs the question as to why some people do. It certainly isn't inevitably caused by poverty, unhappy home life etc.

Tobacco kills, yes, but it doesn't induce people to acts of abusive behaviour or violent aggression.
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I've never used ecstasy, too old when it became trendy, have been tempted to try cocaine, actually had some once but decided against, threw it down the loo.

Hundreds of thousands, possibly more, people are regular cocaine and ecstasy users. The few fatalities which as I said are usually highly publicised are rare. The fact that so many people regularly use these drugs with no ill effects and without becoming addicted begs the question as to why some people do. It certainly isn't inevitably caused by poverty, unhappy home life etc.

Tobacco kills, yes, but it doesn't induce people to acts of abusive behaviour or violent aggression.
Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances known to man, it is even more addictive than Class A drugs which include Heroin, Cocaine, Amphetamines and the like.
I think all drugs should be legalised, controlled and regulated. It will never completely wipe out the Black Market and illicit trade but it sure as hell will curtail it.
The 'war' on drugs is not working as can be seen in the increased usage and the invention of dangerous 'legal highs' (Spice and its relatives which have now become illegal)... and many of those contain ingredients that are not for human consumption.
It matters not that these substances are illegal, people will always dabble or take them and I believe the only way to crack down on drugs, the Cartels and Drug lords is to take the vast majority of their 'business' away from them and put it in the hands of people that can and are able to regulate and control it with laws.

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--- although it seems that cocaine is now the trendy middle class drug. ....
Ironic that so many of these people who throw up their hands in horror at any kind of chemical addiitive in their food or exploitation of workers that make their clothes, will happily stick this stiff up their noses in apparent blissful ignorance of its contents or the means of production.

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Ironic that so many of these people who throw up their hands in horror at any kind of chemical addiitive in their food or exploitation of workers that make their clothes, will happily stick this stiff up their noses in apparent blissful ignorance of its contents or the means of production.
And not just its means of production (although, if people saw how cocaine is made from plant to powder would it stop them? .. I'm not sure) but also the exploitation of those that are forced or coerced into the growing of it.

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