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Old 11th November 2019, 11:42 AM
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Probably, someone will come along with a dictionary definition, but for me the "fear of the other" appeal of Vox IS exactly what is meant by xenophobia.

Now I'm sure that if were to be in conversation with a Vox voter, he/she would say that they have nothing against me as I am not an economic migrant (I have been told this in the past pre-vox by right wing sympathisers). Similarly, they probably wouldn't have anything against a Greek migrant, even though their motives may be more economic than mine (because they are white European), and I wonder what these supposedly educated middle class people would say to a Zambian refugee? Probably they wouldn't have anything against them personally either because of the hardships they have had to suffer.

These people are, sadly, hiding behind a veil, they won't stand up to their own principles when confronted with reality, they just want to vote selfishly against a collective which they themselves cannot identify. Why? because this collective is an invention, a made up problem portrayed intelligently by the extreme right so that they can be seen as the saviours and solvers of the (non-existent) problem.
Maybe I used the wrong word, maybe it's not 'fear' as much as ignorance. Just as wanting control of immigration doesn't mean you're a racist, not being comfortable with rapid change brought about by newcomers to your settled community doesn't make you a xenophobe. I'm not sure I've expressed that well but I hope you can construe my meaning.
For example, my old Mum have been apprehensive if a Pakistani family moved next door but after getting to know them she would regard them as neighbours comme les autres. So she would have been a reformed xenophobe
And phobia doesn't imply hatred, just fear.
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Old 11th November 2019, 11:57 AM
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I spent the past week pasting posters in the spots allocated in our town, stuffing voting papers in envelopes for those folk who prefer to take their votes in their hands to the mesa and all day yesterday sat at a mesa near to where I now live. Participation was down on April by about three percentage points. At the mesa where I was as Apoderada for PSOE the vote went overwhelmingly to Vox. PSOE was in third place. The catchment area of this polling station is no way at the lower end of any pay scale, it's made up of fincas, larger country houses and some posh apartment blocks towards the west of the area. Nobody who came to vote looked poor and deprived. Yet the majority for Vox was very big indeed. There are no immigrants round here, only a few guiris like me, certainly none of dusky hue. I'd guess that most inhabitants are very comfortably middle-class.

In the centre of Estepona by contrast PSOE topped the poll, especially in the poorer barrios where many Moroccan families live.

Not sure what conclusions can be drawn from this.
it is as before, the better off are the ex-francoistas and vote for Vox.

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Immigration is a big factor in the increased Vox vote but Catalonia is even bigger. They want a party that will take a "firm hand", even if it means troops on the streets of Barcelona. Sadly they don't read the facts, or the history, just the propaganda that gets circulated on social media. I am thoroughly disillusioned and disgusted. If only PSOE and Unidas Podemos had been willing to park their principles on one side and opt for compromise after the April poll, we could have had a progressive centre-left government by now. Instead ... f*ck knows what will happen.
Was a lengthy article in the Tribune re. Podemos and PSOE pact a couple of days ago. They reckon it was Brussels and Business that prevented an agreement.

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2019/11/gambling-spains-future
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Immigration is a big factor in the increased Vox vote but Catalonia is even bigger. They want a party that will take a "firm hand", even if it means troops on the streets of Barcelona.
I think it's this as well. It's the only thing that has changed since the April election where Vox did really badly


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If only PSOE and Unidas Podemos had been willing to park their principles on one side and opt for compromise after the April poll, we could have had a progressive centre-left government by now.
I think Pablo Iglesias should resign as well because his insistence on having ministers lead to this and probably their drop in votes.
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Was a lengthy article in the Tribune re. Podemos and PSOE pact a couple of days ago. They reckon it was Brussels and Business that prevented an agreement.

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2019/11/gambling-spains-future
Interesting. Thanks for shaing.

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You're living in a different country now. There really is no point in comparing UK and Spain.
Doesn't stop me comparing, Sunshine and even if I was a life long resident here, I'd still be giving nil
points for GE effort in Asturias.

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Looks like Sanchez and Iglesias have reached agreement.
Only just received the full text so haven’t read it yet but seems Spain has a government.

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Looks like Sanchez and Iglesias have reached agreement.
Only just received the full text so haven’t read it yet but seems Spain has a government.
It's a step forward, but let's not forget that PSOE and UP together still would rely on abstentions from various other groups to form a government... it's not over yet.
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It's a step forward, but let's not forget that PSOE and UP together still would rely on abstentions from various other groups to form a government... it's not over yet.
True, they can count on PNV, Mas Pais (Podemos lite) and a couple of others but still need more. It will have to be C's or ERC, both of which will be problematic.

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Looks like Sanchez and Iglesias have reached agreement.
Only just received the full text so haven’t read it yet but seems Spain has a government.
Really? I don't think we're at that stage yet...

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Unidas Podemos and PSOE have signed a pre agreement. After getting nowhere in negotiations in April after the previous elections they have, in less than 48 hours (taking the PP and VOX totally by surprise), made a pre agreement covering all sorts of areas including betting shops, climate change, women's rights, unemployment..


They were full of praise for each other, both recognising the generosity of the other.


True, this agreement needs the support of other parties in order to make in viable and it's also true that they well may end up hurling insults again after a few weeks, but it's a start. Talking is better than not talking.


It seems the rise of Vox has spurred them into action.
(from the Spanish news thread)
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