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Old 12th August 2019, 09:54 AM
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It is possible to care on many fronts. I care about the environment but I also care very deeply about Brexit. I have four grandchildren and Brexit will severely damage their futures. Too many people are bored with Brexit and will accept the terrible, catastrophic result of a no deal Brexit - or the only slightly less terrible idea of a Brexit with some sort of deal. The tactics of the Brexit wreckers are working, people are losing interest in the fight and will accept the terrifying actions that Johnson and his hard right mob are planning as long as they don't have to bother about Brexit anymore.

The promises were all lies. Keep the pound out of the Eurozone, they said. Now there is a good chance that the pound will sink lower than the Euro, didn't they say that the Euro was going to crash and we had to get out before we had to support it? The £350m a week a total lie given to Johnson by that scumbag Cummings. All the lies about sovereignty and taking back control, the lies about immigration, the lies about trade deals.Lies, lies, lies. Do you think Johnson and his merry mob of neo-facists will care about us expats when he doesn't even care about UK residents (unless they are his chums). These are dangerous times for democracy in the UK, and like it or not, the UK sets an example to the world, if we go down the hard-right route it will encourage all the other head-bangers and the world goes down the toilet.

I will keep caring and doing whatever I can to stop Brexit and Johnson and no Brexit supporter will ever be allowed in my house - that has caused huge problems because I have family members who I will not talk to and are are not welcome here. Never forgive, never forget, this is not 'just politics' this is a civil war.
I too have family, I worry about their futures, but what will caring or worrying do. I have family who voted for Brexit, I find it quite sad that you no longer have contact or they are not welcome. What if remain had won, would you expect them to dismiss you due to a difference of opinion. I don’t like Brexit I disagree with Brexit but I’ve spent since 2016 talking about ****ing Brexit, writing to ****ing MPs , posting my opinions. Endless threads on this very forum and what’s happening, the U.K. is still leaving.

I now simply concentrate on my two daughters and my grandson. I concentrate on my own life here in the country I chose to live in away from the UK. The U.K. doesn’t define me, doesn’t want or need me, why would expend energy trying to help it

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this matter xx
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I too have family, I worry about their futures, but what will caring or worrying do. I have family who voted for Brexit, I find it quite sad that you no longer have contact or they are not welcome. What if remain had won, would you expect them to dismiss you due to a difference of opinion. I don’t like Brexit I disagree with Brexit but I’ve spent since 2016 talking about ****ing Brexit, writing to ****ing MPs , posting my opinions. Endless threads on this very forum and what’s happening, the U.K. is still leaving.

I now simply concentrate on my two daughters and my grandson. I concentrate on my own life here in the country I chose to live in away from the UK. The U.K. doesn’t define me, doesn’t want or need me, why would expend energy trying to help it

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this matter xx
I don't see it as a simple 'difference of opinion', I can disagree on political issues quite comfortably with people, but I can not accept anyone supporting an action that will be warlike in its effects on the country. I have tried to have sensible conversations with these people, god knows I have tried, but after an hour or so of pointing out where they are wrong, it always comes down to immigration and their dislike of foreigners. I cannot and will not have anything to do with racists, xenophobes, xylophones (I hate those things) and whatever you call people who discriminate against religion.

The UK doesn't define me either, but I am British, I am patriotic (NOT nationalistic) and have many friends and relatives who are not on my ignore list who will be damaged by this act of vandalism.

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I don't see it as a simple 'difference of opinion', I can disagree on political issues quite comfortably with people, but I can not accept anyone supporting an action that will be warlike in its effects on the country. I have tried to have sensible conversations with these people, god knows I have tried, but after an hour or so of pointing out where they are wrong, it always comes down to immigration and their dislike of foreigners. I cannot and will not have anything to do with racists, xenophobes, xylophones (I hate those things) and whatever you call people who discriminate against religion.

The UK doesn't define me either, but I am British, I am patriotic (NOT nationalistic) and have many friends and relatives who are not on my ignore list who will be damaged by this act of vandalism.
I don't think voting to leave the EU was an act of vandalism. There were, and still are, many reasons for the UK to get as far away as possible from the EU, and all it stands for.

What was inexcusable is the almost three years of pretending to negotiate Brexit, while really wanting the opposite, by a simple-minded, incompetent nitwit, who should never have reached the level of authority which she achieved, and the fact that hardly anyone did anything to get rid of her.

Now that is followed by the ludicrous Parliamentary system putting an even more inappropriate nitwit in charge.

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I don't think voting to leave the EU was an act of vandalism. There were, and still are, many reasons for the UK to get as far away as possible from the EU, and all it stands for.

What was inexcusable is the almost three years of pretending to negotiate Brexit, while really wanting the opposite, by a simple-minded, incompetent nitwit, who should never have reached the level of authority which she achieved, and the fact that hardly anyone did anything to get rid of her.

Now that is followed by the ludicrous Parliamentary system putting an even more inappropriate nitwit in charge.
What are these 'many reasons for the UK to get as far away as possible from the EU, and all it stands for'?
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What are these 'many reasons for the UK to get as far away as possible from the EU, and all it stands for'?
I don't have the time to set them out, but if you really wish to know, you could try reading this for a start https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trouble-Eur...s%2C190&sr=8-2

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I don't have the time to set them out, but if you really wish to know, you could try reading this for a start https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trouble-Eur...s%2C190&sr=8-2
Written by idiots for idiots. The EU may well need to be reformed but the UK isn't going to have anything to do with it. It is throwing away any influence it might have had by leaving.

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I don't have the time to set them out, but if you really wish to know, you could try reading this for a start https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trouble-Eur...s%2C190&sr=8-2
Written by a member of Economists for Free Trade (formerly known as Economists for Brexit, prior to the referendum), the group led by Professor Patrick Minford - he who cheerily says that Brexit will mean the end of manufacturing and farming in the UK. So not fact, just the opinion of someone with a political agenda.

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Has anyone actually read the book I mentioned?

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Written by a member of Economists for Free Trade (formerly known as Economists for Brexit, prior to the referendum), the group led by Professor Patrick Minford - he who cheerily says that Brexit will mean the end of manufacturing and farming in the UK. So not fact, just the opinion of someone with a political agenda.
So for balance, here's a view from the other side.

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Legitimate Lexit arguments
According to Lexit proponents, the EU is inherently neoliberal in nature. ‘Lexiteers’ point to the behaviour of the European Central Bank and the treatment of southern European countries like Greece in the aftermath of the 2007-2008 capitalist crash. They claim that Brexit is the only way to get Britain out of global free trade agreements such as TTIP. And some have suggested that Jeremy Corbyn’s proposals like nationalising railways would be impossible within the EU due to pro-competition laws passed the European parliament.

Another Lexit argument is that it would open the possibility of readjusting Britain’s severely imbalanced economy. As Nicholas Shaxson described in his latest book, The Finance Curse, Britain has reached a point where the finance sector is beyond its optimal size and is now actually harming the rest of the economy.
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